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Sales, parts, and service all different departments run by different people, so experiences will be different, all in the same building.
I bought my Journey at Southfield Dodge, closest to my house, and the sales staff were "okay". They tried to pull some tricks on me to lower my trade value and I wasn't having it. Then our other Journey needed a new wheel speed sensor, and it took their service department a week to find the problem and fix it, and it was nearly impossible to get them to talk to us while they had the car without getting in their faces about it. That wasn't a weeks worth of diagnosis. That was a weeks worth of the car sitting in their service lot untouched. They were not busy.
Suburban Chrysler in Troy is generally better for both sales and service. That's where I go for service now, though they outsource their scheduling department to an outside company, so when we show up for an appointment they almost never are prepared since they aren't expecting us. It was fine when I needed a washer fluid sensor, but getting the remote start and rock guards installed on the blacktop was irritating when an appointment was set, and the guy doing the installation had already left for the day. Had to leave it overnight.
My next purchase, if it is new, will likely be from Szott M-59. They're about 40 minutes away, 15-20 miles. The local mopar enthusiast group is in love with that dealer, and that dealer is a sponsor to the group, so a good deal is possible. Has to be, with all the members who have bought brand new Dodges and Jeeps (including AEV Wranglers) from them. Their service also gets glowing reviews, but it's a bit far to go for an oil change. Thankfully oil changes and tire rotations are handled by fastlanes now, so I don't need an appointment. Just 30 minutes to an hour depending on their customer volume that day.

Sales, parts, and service all different departments run by different people, so experiences will be different, all in the same building.
I bought my Journey at Southfield Dodge, closest to my house, and the sales staff were "okay". They tried to pull some tricks on me to lower my trade value and I wasn't having it. Then our other Journey needed a new wheel speed sensor, and it took their service department a week to find the problem and fix it, and it was nearly impossible to get them to talk to us while they had the car without getting in their faces about it. That wasn't a weeks worth of diagnosis. That was a weeks worth of the car sitting in their service lot untouched. They were not busy.
Suburban Chrysler in Troy is generally better for both sales and service. That's where I go for service now, though they outsource their scheduling department to an outside company, so when we show up for an appointment they almost never are prepared since they aren't expecting us. It was fine when I needed a washer fluid sensor, but getting the remote start and rock guards installed on the blacktop was irritating when an appointment was set, and the guy doing the installation had already left for the day. Had to leave it overnight.
My next purchase, if it is new, will likely be from Szott M-59. They're about 40 minutes away, 15-20 miles. The local mopar enthusiast group is in love with that dealer, and that dealer is a sponsor to the group, so a good deal is possible. Has to be, with all the members who have bought brand new Dodges and Jeeps (including AEV Wranglers) from them. Their service also gets glowing reviews, but it's a bit far to go for an oil change. Thankfully oil changes and tire rotations are handled by fastlanes now, so I don't need an appointment. Just 30 minutes to an hour depending on their customer volume that day.

If the interior was unchanged, I wouldn't own a Journey. Bland hard plastics from the Cerberus era? No thanks. Chrysler Group interiors performed an evolutionary leap when Fiat entered the board room, a very good thing.

Sales, parts, and service all different departments run by different people, so experiences will be different, all in the same building.
I bought my Journey at Southfield Dodge, closest to my house, and the sales staff were "okay". They tried to pull some tricks on me to lower my trade value and I wasn't having it. Then our other Journey needed a new wheel speed sensor, and it took their service department a week to find the problem and fix it, and it was nearly impossible to get them to talk to us while they had the car without getting in their faces about it. That wasn't a weeks worth of diagnosis. That was a weeks worth of the car sitting in their service lot untouched. They were not busy.
Suburban Chrysler in Troy is generally better for both sales and service. That's where I go for service now, though they outsource their scheduling department to an outside company, so when we show up for an appointment they almost never are prepared since they aren't expecting us. It was fine when I needed a washer fluid sensor, but getting the remote start and rock guards installed on the blacktop was irritating when an appointment was set, and the guy doing the installation had already left for the day. Had to leave it overnight.
My next purchase, if it is new, will likely be from Szott M-59. They're about 40 minutes away, 15-20 miles. The local mopar enthusiast group is in love with that dealer, and that dealer is a sponsor to the group, so a good deal is possible. Has to be, with all the members who have bought brand new Dodges and Jeeps (including AEV Wranglers) from them. Their service also gets glowing reviews, but it's a bit far to go for an oil change. Thankfully oil changes and tire rotations are handled by fastlanes now, so I don't need an appointment. Just 30 minutes to an hour depending on their customer volume that day.

My 300M is going quad using FX-Rs and E46-Rs. The hard part is getting all four projectors to line up right. The key though is to use pairs of projectors that correct for the other pairs inadequacies. IE, have a set that is wide, but not necessarily good for throw, and a second set that covers the throw. It's also good to have them use the same type of bulb, so if a bulb goes out in the primary set, you can pull one from the secondary set to quickly get back on the road with good light.
It's even nicer if both sets are bi-xenon. Then you can call up your best Picard voice and shout SHIELDS when you flip on the high beams. Caution: Passengers may be startled the first time. Annoyed every time thereafter...

If I'd had more money to burn during the Black Friday sale, I'd have added this to my order (as it was, I was on the fence adding the MH1 7.0... and just did it when I drove home one night in the rain and couldn't see anything ahead of me).
I'm in. If nothing comes of it, I'll still order a set later in the summer. I threw in LED fleaBay bulbs just to modernize the appearance since I drive with my parking lights and foglights on during the day frequently and did the reverse lights and license plate lights at the same time.
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I have no affiliation with this company beyond being a happy customer, I'm simply looking for a deal on some amazing projector LED fog lights.

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Fingers crossed their are others who want a set!

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Keep in mind, it was designed as a Dodge back in 2007 and 2008, when Chrysler Group had to make cuts on their products. When it was refreshed for 2011, the focus was on the bigger complaints of the interior and engine/trans, and bringing the aesthetics up, than on the convenience of a power liftgate. Power liftgates are starting to be more common, so I'd be surprised if the Giulia-based replacement doesn't have it. Even the new Edge has it for 2016.
Only way to get it on a JC Dodge crossover (Journey) is to have an aftermarket company make one. That can get pricey. I haven't really thought about it in the past year and a half, so I don't think Journey needs it. It's better suited to owners of minivans and full-size SUVs, who might need it to open on its own while they're carrying fussy children or need it to close itself because it's high up.

FYI, don't use wheel covers on leather or vinyl-wrapped wheels. It will damage the leather/vinyl.

I'll be leaving my bowl and shroud chrome. Since I'm using TYC assemblies, I'll need to remove the bezel and hit it with oven cleaner to remove the chrome on that.

Were any of the bad batteries tested? Was the alternator tested? Were any tests run on the vehicle to locate current draw while the vehicle was off? Any competent mechanic would do these things. Three "bad" batteries in 3 years can happen, but normally that means something else is going on. Belle Tire is good for tires and nothing else. They hire technicians to replace parts, not mechanics to find and correct problems. Stop going there for battery problems. I only go there for new tires and air-ups (when I don't feel like doing it myself).
Go to the dealer and inquire about software/firmware updates, that may help correct the transmission and BT issues. The iPhone/iPod issue is the fault of Apples update to iOS last year. Uconnect hasn't caught up.
If any of these issues were documented while the warranty was still active, you can fight them if they try to charge you now for the same problems. Bring your paperwork from the previous visits as proof.

My 300M is going quad using FX-Rs and E46-Rs. The hard part is getting all four projectors to line up right. The key though is to use pairs of projectors that correct for the other pairs inadequacies. IE, have a set that is wide, but not necessarily good for throw, and a second set that covers the throw. It's also good to have them use the same type of bulb, so if a bulb goes out in the primary set, you can pull one from the secondary set to quickly get back on the road with good light.
It's even nicer if both sets are bi-xenon. Then you can call up your best Picard voice and shout SHIELDS when you flip on the high beams. Caution: Passengers may be startled the first time. Annoyed every time thereafter...

That's kind of my stance too... we'll find out when we get in there. I'm still kicking around going with a quad set up in my head. Of course, then I would have to use the MH1 6.0's that I am currently using, so I'm not sold on it...

Were any of the bad batteries tested? Was the alternator tested? Were any tests run on the vehicle to locate current draw while the vehicle was off? Any competent mechanic would do these things. Three "bad" batteries in 3 years can happen, but normally that means something else is going on. Belle Tire is good for tires and nothing else. They hire technicians to replace parts, not mechanics to find and correct problems. Stop going there for battery problems. I only go there for new tires and air-ups (when I don't feel like doing it myself).
Go to the dealer and inquire about software/firmware updates, that may help correct the transmission and BT issues. The iPhone/iPod issue is the fault of Apples update to iOS last year. Uconnect hasn't caught up.
If any of these issues were documented while the warranty was still active, you can fight them if they try to charge you now for the same problems. Bring your paperwork from the previous visits as proof.

If I was looking at it, I'd make the educated guess that the black wire is ground and white is hot. Try it out -- if I was wrong, flip it and try again. Silly question, but was someone stepping on the brake pedal while you were checking for the hot wire? I'm assuming there was.

Found what I was looking for on Amazon... placed my order for three sets of projector kits. Mini H1 7.0 stage 3 for my Journey, FX-R stage three and E46-R b-stock with Morimoto HID kit and matching shrouds for my Special. Just need some 9006 and 9005 splitters, LED demon eyes, switch for the inner projector pait, and a simple DRL kit (for flash-to-pass) to complete the Specials upgrade parts. And new assemblies for both cars. Saved $220.

I have a shopping cart ready to go with FX-Rs and E46-Rs for my Special. I'm considering adding the MH1 7.0s for my Journey... 25% off FTW. But, I'm having a hard time finding TYC headlights for not-obscene prices... Perhaps I'll have to wait for the cable guy to switch my service tomorrow and look from my desktop. Could swear I've seen them for decent prices before... For less than $200/pair.

I'm aware the trim lines differ between countries, however I'm not sure if the appearance packages differ as well.

The shifting sands of rumors indicate that the next Journey depends on what it is you're envisioning... Chrysler is gearing up to build a Chrysler-branded crossover based on the RU minivan architecture in Windsor, which would very likely fit the Journey's current role of a FWD family hauler. It doesn't yet have a confirmed name, though Caravan and Pacifica are thrown around (Pacifica was recently trademarked). The next Dodge crossover will very likely be a sister to the Alfa Romeo crossover that is in development on the new midsize RWD Giulia platform and will replace the JC-based Journey.
Toluca assembly will be shutting down early next year for a few months while it retools and modernizes, then will resume production of Journey and 500 as they are now. Rumor has it Journey production will eventually shift northward, though I wouldn't anticipate that happening until the new design is ready. With Alfa taking precedence, that won't be for a few years yet. Sergio has shown an interest in moving 200 and Dart down to Toluca where labor is cheaper, and Journey up north where high labor has less of an impact on FCAs bottom line (SUVS and trucks have higher profit margins).
Naturally, this is all speculation. Take it with a grain of salt just large enough to satisfy the DOTs needs in the Great Lakes region for the next few winters.

Supposed to finally be more like the great lakes this weekend... between that and the warm weather we've been having, I keep picturing the Robot Chicken skit of the gummy bear dancing and singing (enjoying beautiful weather), and then stepping into a bear trap (winter weather) screaming/cursing.
Time for metro Detroiters to go from driving too slow to crawling an inch at a time in their Range Rovers and Escalades.

In the absence of TMPS sensors installed in the winter set, the TMPS chime will sound each time the car is started and the EVIC will flash a warning message. Other than that, there should be no issues. You can use alloy wheels from Journey, Grand Cherokee, Durango, and I believe cars riding on the RT and JS platforms (minivans, Avenger/200), though I would double check that on the JS (JC is a stretched version of JS, but I'm not sure if wheel hubs carried over as well). Same rules apply on brand/model/size of tire and rotations if you have AWD (100% matching, and rotate every oil change).
FYI, automakers don't use "mag" wheels anymore (other than for race and sports cars, Porsche uses magnesium alloys for the Carrera GT). You have aluminum alloy wheels.

Supposed to finally be more like the great lakes this weekend... between that and the warm weather we've been having, I keep picturing the Robot Chicken skit of the gummy bear dancing and singing (enjoying beautiful weather), and then stepping into a bear trap (winter weather) screaming/cursing.
Time for metro Detroiters to go from driving too slow to crawling an inch at a time in their Range Rovers and Escalades.

FYI, the Journey is definitely not a gas guzzler. Not when the V6 can easily achieve over 30 mpg.
I don't understand the point of the Prius. It's expensive to buy, ugly as mortal sin (all generations), has no get-up'n'go to speak of, is damaging to the environment (how do you think that battery came into existance?), and the fuel economy figures are not very impressive compared to diesel VW Group vehicles and small-displacement Hondas. A hybrid does not yet exist that is worth buying. If you want good fuel economy and want to have a lower environmental impact, buy a modern diesel or a Tesla.

All that turns up (difficult to search with 4-character minimums) is something for 2012 calendar year builds. Mine was built February 10th, 2014. I'll have to have them diagnose it and reference the TSB anyway, as well as have them do the idler pulley TSB. Was hoping to do that while it was for the ABS moisture recall.

Is there a link to the current TSBs? I'm aware only of the TSB for the cold-start idler pulley noise on 3.6L's. My suspension squeaks a lot when the car has been sitting for a few hours or more, and *might* clunk. I say might, because I live in Michigan... where lawmakers are unconcerned with our roads falling apart and bridges opening up weekly.
I'm curious what other TSBs there might be. Google search isn't turning up the idler pulley or anything with the suspension...

Is there a link to the current TSBs? I'm aware only of the TSB for the cold-start idler pulley noise on 3.6L's. My suspension squeaks a lot when the car has been sitting for a few hours or more, and *might* clunk. I say might, because I live in Michigan... where lawmakers are unconcerned with our roads falling apart and bridges opening up weekly.
I'm curious what other TSBs there might be. Google search isn't turning up the idler pulley or anything with the suspension...