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You are correct; it should not. The leaking roof is easily repairable by a competent technician. Schedule an appointment with your dealer to have the issue resolved. If you live in a cold climate area, It might behoove you to wait a little while to do this until the temperatures moderate so that it can be properly water tested. As a six-time Chrysler owner, perhaps you have a good relationship with your selling dealer which will certainly help avoid some of the pitfalls faced by Debra (no fault of hers) in obtaining a resolution. Please keep us posted.

There is no correlation between disabling the ESP and fuel economy. The ESP only operates on demand when conditions warrant. Depressing the ESP Off switch simply prevents most ESP functions (it partially disables the ESP, not completely).

Me too

DESCRIPTION The engine is equipped with Variable Valve Timing (VVT). This system adjusts the timing of all four camshafts independently using solenoids and oil control valves to direct oil pressure into the camshaft phaser assemblies. The camshaft phaser assembly advances and/or retards camshaft timing to improve engine performance, mid-range torque, idle quality, fuel economy, and reduce emissions. The four phasers are located on the front of the camshafts, behind the VVT solenoids, inside of the engine timing cover. The exhaust phasers are identified with EXH and the intake phasers are identified with INT. The exhaust phaser has a clockspring, the intake phaser does not. The camshaft sprockets are integrated with the camshaft phaser and are serviced as an assembly. Do not attempt to disassemble the phasers, they are not serviceable. Phasers are interchangeable between the right and left cylinder heads but should be installed in the same location as removed. The engine has an Oil Control Valve (OCV) for each phaser. The OCV also acts as a bolt for mounting the Phaser to the camshaft. The OCVs spool valve is spring loaded and should move freely within the OCV body. The four OCVs are identical but should be installed in the same location as removed.

Possibly a faulty cam phaser. I've seen similar symptoms in a couple of 3.6's - an early Journey Lux (nice car!) a Grand Cherokee and a Chrysler 200. All were 2011 models. Flashing electronic throttle light, engine light on or flashing, no power, sluggish shifting. Usually a key cycle will clear the symptoms temporarily. The problem seemed to be confined to 2011 models but, like the cylinder head issues, there could be some early production 2012's with the same issue. Diagnostic codes will certainly be stored; there's probably a bevy of them based on your description. I realize that many of you are less than thrilled with dealer visits, but this issue should probably be dealer-diagnosed, and if there is service contract or warranty coverage, then surely. These cam phasers are precision components that are engine-oil lubricated. Synthetic oil might be of future consideration if you do not use it already. It is the reason why I switched to synthetic oil in my Journey for the first time in any car that I have ever owned. The last case of a bad cam phaser that we had involved the GC that I mentioned above. The customer went 14,000 miles between her last oil change (she has a very legit reason) and the problem occurred a few thousand miles later. Could be coincidence but the FSM does mention contaminated oil as a possible cause of failure. Let us know what the dianostics reveal. 08 - Electrical/8I - Ignition Control/SOLENOID, Variable Valve Timing/Description DESCRIPTION The 3.6L engine is equipped with Variable Valve Timing (VVT). This system adjusts the timing of all four camshafts independently using solenoids and oil control valves to direct oil pressure into the camshaft phaser assemblies. The camshaft phaser assembly advances and/or retards camshaft timing to improve engine performance, mid-range torque, idle quality, fuel economy, and reduce emissions. The four VVT solenoids are located on the front of the cylinder head covers. The pintle should move freely within the solenoid body. Do not attempt to disassemble the solenoids, they are not serviceable. The solenoids are identical but should be installed in the same location as removed.

I checked your VIN. The Sales Code LMK already exists in the Standard Equipment field in the Build Sheet. It is not available in the Options area for me to add it since it is already there. If they are not working, please check in with your dealership - there may be a diagnostic fault code active which could prevent them from working. Here is your build sheet (it does not copy and paste well on this forum; everything runs together rather than carrying over in chart form from the Chrysler site - sorry) Vehicle Option - All Standard Equipment Code Description Code Description Code Description APAS Monotone Paint BABS 160 Amp Alternator BCPS 525 Amp Maintenance Free Battery BGES Brake Assist BNBS Electronic Stability Control BRES Anti-Lock 4-Wheel-Disc Brakes CACS Low Back Bucket Seats CBDS Active Head Restraints CB9S 2nd Row In Floor Storage Bins CFJS Rear Reclining / Fold Flat Seat CGDS Front Height Adjust Shoulder Belts CGUS Child Seat Anchor System-LATCH Ready CGYS Drvr Inflatable Knee-Bolster Air Bag CG3S Advanced Multistage Front Air Bags** CJ1S Supplemental Frt Seat Side Air Bags CJ5S Supp. Side Curtain All Rows Air Bags CKCS Floor Carpet CKTS Cargo Tie Down Loops CLPS Door Sill Scuff Pads CTLS Base Door Trim Panel CVMS Full Length Flr Console Prem A/Rest CWPS Illuminated Cupholders GAMS Solar Control Glass GBBS Tinted Windshield Glass GFAS Rear Window Defroster GNAS Rear View Day/Night Mirror GNFS Driver Side Sun Visor w/Mirror GNYS Passenger Side Sun Visor GT6S Power Heated Mirrors, Fold-Away GXDS Remote Proximity Keyless Entry GXRS Keyless Entry GXXS Sentry Key Theft Deterrent System GX4S Keyless Go JATS Premium Instr Cluster w/Display JA2S Instrument Cluster w/Tach JA6S Premium Instrument Cluster JDJS 240 KPH Primary Speedometer JHAS Var Intermittent Windshield Wipers JHBS Rear Window Wiper/Washer JJBS Dual Note Electric Horns JKFS Cowl Mounted Hood Release JKPS 12V Auxiliary Power Outlet JKWS 12V Center Console Power Outlet JMAS Air Filtering JPBS Power Locks JPDS Power Windows, Driver One-Touch LAXS Front Passenger Seat Belt Alert LAZS Vehicle Information Center LBCS Glove Box Lamp LBLS Driver Passenger Lower LED Lamps LCAS Front Courtesy/Map Lamps LCES Rear Courtesy/Reading Lamps LCSS Incandescent Stop/Tail Lamps LDFS Liftgate Flood Lamp LHDS Headlamp Off Time Delay LMES Halogen Quad Headlamps LMKS Daytime Running Headlamps, High Beam LPSS CHMSL Lamp LPTS Backup Lamps MDAS Frt License Plate Attachment Screws MFDS Bright Grille MGNS Dodge Badge MHAS Black Windshield Moldings MNKS Body Color Door Handles MPFS Journey Badge MPJS Black Sill MPLS Black-Out Tape MP2S Silver Mold In Color Fascia Applique NFPS 20.5 Gallon Fuel Tank NHKS Engine Block Heater NHMS Speed Control QAUS Granite Crystal Met. Clear Coat RCGS 6 Speakers RDBS Removable Short Mast Antenna RDZS Steering Wheel Mounted Audio Ctrls RHAS Uconnect 4.3 AM/FM/CD/MP3 SBBS Firm Feel Power Steering SCAS Steering Wheel SDCS Normal Duty Suspension SUDS Tilt/Telescope Steering Column TBKS Compact Spare Tire TVKS P225/65R17 BSW A/S Touring Tires WFJS 17X6.5 Aluminum Wheels XHLS 12V DC Front Rear Power Outlets XJGS Non Locking Fuel Filler Cap X81S Instrument Panel Parts Module X82S Door Parts Module X83S Front End Parts Module X84S Front Suspension Parts Module X85S Rear Suspension Parts Module X88S Tire Wheel Parts Module YACS Build To Canada Mkt. Specifications 1ABS Canada Dealer Retail 125S Zone 25-Canada-Alberta 5IUS JC/5702 Vehicle Family 5I3S Dodge 5I8S Left Hand Drive (LHD) 5LBS 2014 Vehicle Specifications 5ZBS Price Class H 5ZUS Front Wheel Drive (FWD) 594S Vehicle Order Tracking 6CSS Canada Specifications Label 679S British Columbia Province Code 8HFS Canada Country Code Optional Equipment Code Description Code Description Code Description *E5 Prem Cloth Low-Back Bucket Seats -X9 Black AGV Flexible Seating Group BNMP Traction Control BNSP Electronic Roll Mitigation BNTP Trailer Sway Damping CAUP 3rd Row 50/50 Fold/Reclining Seat CDHP Driver Height Adjuster Seat CDKP Easy Entry System Seat CG4P 2nd Row 40/60 Tilt Slide Seat CS8P Delete Cargo Compartment Cover CX8P CORA Tire Press Monitoring Sensor DBAC All Automatic Transmissions DFF 4-Speed Automatic VLP Transmission DHDP AutoStick ® Automatic Transmission EAGC All Gas Engine ED3 2.4L I4 DOHC 16V Dual VVT Engine HAGP Air Conditioning w/3 Zone Temp Cntrl HBBP Rear Air Conditioning w/Heater LE4P Black Exterior Mirrors MCXP Dodge Body Color Fascias NAS 50 State Emissions NHJP Exterior Mirrors w/Heating Element PAU Granite Crystal Met. Clear Coat RFKP 4.3 Touch Screen Display RSUP Audio Jack Input for Mobile Devices RSXP Remote USB Port TZLP Kumho Brand Tires XBNP Tip Start XGMP Tire Pressure Monitoring Display XLNP English/USA Language YGNA 4 Additional Gallons of Gas ZCFP Spring - Left Front ZCUP Spring - Left Rear ZREP Spring - Right Front ZRUP Spring - Right Rear Z1BP GVW/Payload Rating 0E7A FAM: JC TRACKING: 30513S13 MY:2014 2DFA Customer Preferred Package 2DF 22F Customer Preferred Package 22F 3XAA Federal Green Levy 4CPA Federal A/C Excise Tax 4EX Sales Tracking 4HC Special Scheduling Condition III 876P Canada Region Group 894P NAFTA Region

Hard pressed to tell the difference between the OE 19's and the winter 18's - good choice.

Damn, that looks good!

Do you have any "before"pics? What wheels were on your Crew before the switch?

Very tastefully done with the black lower stripe. Nice!

This TSB was released on 3/7/14. Symptoms do not match yours exactly but if the problem continues, it can't hurt to update: RB5 RE2 RE6 RB6 RE3 RB4 Radio Enhancements OVERVIEW: This Bulletin involves updating the radio's software. MODELS: 2011-2012 (JC) Journey 2011-2012 (LD) Charger 2011-2012 (LX) 300 NOTE: This bulletin applies to vehicles built on or before July 02, 2012 (MDH 0702XX) equipped with one of the following radios: • UConnect Touch 8.4 CD/DVD/MP3/NAV (sales code RB5) • UConnect Touch 8.4 CD/DVD/MP3 (sales code RE2) • UConnect Touch 8.4N CD/DVD/MP3/NAV (sales code RB4) • UConnect Touch 8.4n CD/DVD/MP3/NAV (sales code RB6) • UConnect Touch 8.4N CD/DVD/MP3 (sales code RE3) • UConnect Touch 8.4 CD/DVD/MP3 (sales code RE6) SYMPTOM/CONDITION: A customer may experience one or move of the following: · Fuel Station Routing issues. · Heated Seat Greyed Out. · Navigation Icon going backwards. · Map Checksum Error. DIAGNOSIS: If the customer describes the symptom, perform the Repair Procedure. PARTS REQUIRED: Qty. Part No. Description 1 (AR) 68240594AA Update Disc, 2011 Chrysler (S/W 13/23/19) 1 (AR) 68236602AA Update Disc, 2011 Dodge (S/W 13/23/19) 1 (AR) 68236599AA Update Disc, 2012 (S/W 13/41/42) NUMBER: 08-028-14 GROUP: Electrical DATE: March 07, 2014 NOTE: Only one update disc is required, each disc may be used to service multiple vehicles. Warranty will only reimburse one update disc per dealer. REPAIR PROCEDURE: 1. Start the vehicle, turn the radio ON and allow it to power up. 2. Install the correct control head update disc into the radio CD drive. 3. The screen will now display the old and new software level, XX.XX.XX to 13/23/19 for 2011 vehicles or 13/41/42 for 2012. 4. Is the update to software level the same or higher then the radios software level? a. Yes <<< The radio has the latest software in it, normal diagnostic should be performed. b. No <<< Radio software needs to be updated, proceed to Step #5. NOTE: If the software update process is interrupted/aborted, the process should be restarted. 5. Press “Yes” to start the update. NOTE: Do not cycle the ignition or touch the radio during the update process. NOTE: This update may take over 24 minutes, once the update has been started no other actions are required, until the update is complete. 6. When the update is completed, the screen will read “Reflash Successful”. Touch the screen and the radio will reboot. 7. The screen will now show the old and new software, press “No” on the screen to eject the disc. POLICY: Reimbursable within the provisions of the warranty. TIME ALLOWANCE: Labor Operation No: Description Skill Category Amount 18-60-02-AM Update Radio Software (0 - Introduction) 6 - Electrical and Body Systems 0.5 Hrs NOTE: The expected completion time for the flash download portion of this procedure is approximately 24 minutes. Actual flash download times may be affected by vehicle connection and network capabilities. FAILURE CODE: ZZ Service Action 08-028-14 -2-

Do I read this correctly - the fan does not work at all from the front A/C system and only warm air blowing from rear?

No kidding? Well, I'm with you on the AWD - we skipped it also. It's optional on every trim level except AVP. But leather was something I definitely wanted. It's available as an option on the SXT Plus model here in the U.S. and standard on Limited and R/T. I wanted Chrome Clad wheels and Copper Pearlcoat as the color, and neither were available on R/T, otherwise we may have gone for that.

Very interesting. I wonder why Limited is FWD only? Very, very nice ride you have on order there!

I thought so also. It is entirely possible that I can't see all the equipment or sales codes from a domestic (US) database system. However, that is all I have access to, at least for now. We'll see what Mr. Marchionne has up his sweater-sleeves for the future

The Journey is my third Chrysler product with a sunroof. None of them leak. I've owned two Mazdas with sunroofs. Neither have leaked (I still have one of them - a 1988 RX-7 - and no leaks) I had a Toyota with an aftermarket sunroof and it never leaked either. All except the Toyota used a similar design - a sliding glass or sheetmetal panel which rides in a tub assembly with drains. I've seen plenty of leaks over the years in sunroofs. It does happen. However, the key to correcting the issue is proper diagnosis. Repair is not a big deal once an accurate diagnosis is made. In many cases, the gasket around the glass/sheetmetal panel allows more water in than the drains can handle. Replace the faulty gasket, ensure the drains are clear and problem solved. More often than not, the drains simply clog and cannot keep up with the normal flow of water into the tub. What I read about all too often is guesswork rather than diagnostics. I believe that was the root cause of Debra's ongoing issue. Instead of taking the time to properly diagnose her leak, the tech or maybe even the service advisor simply guessed at the problem, ordered a part, then put a flat-rate guy to work on it, trying to beat the factory labor time allowance on a job that only had a partial chance of correction in the first place. So, the guy is rushing to install a part so he does not lose time on the job (flat rate technicians are rewarded by completing a job in less time than the labor allowance and are hurt by taking more time than the labor allowance. Warranty labor allowances are historically less than customer pay ones) and hacks the car apart and puts it back together sloppily. Remember the odd noises in the headliner and wind leaks after the job was "done"? And guess what? Still leaks. This car is really not the culprit - the repair process failed her. But now it's too late for the dealer or for Chrysler and they have to buy it back. I'm happy for her for sure, but the whole thing could have been avoided if it had been handled properly from the start. And the worst part of all is that the customer has suffered unecessarily.

The AVP and SE use a different front fascia than SXT, Limited and R/T.

A Journey does that to you...

Oh that is nice! Enjoy and thanks for trying to post a pic.

I will indeed. I ran your VIN yet again just be certain that I did not miss anything. I'm not finding the common denominator that eliminates DRL from certain models. An SE equivalent is sold in Canada where DRL is mandatory; I just can't see what has changed between the two, or even between yours and mine, for instance. DRL is a soft key option on both 4.3 and 8.4 radios, according to the owner's manual. I'll keep looking.

I checked your VIN and equipment. The Sales Code for DRL does not exist in your database, either. Sorry I could not help you with this!

Very nice car - 2014 Limited. What color did you get? Any pictures?

Sorry Terry - that feature debuted on the 2011 Uconnect Touch system. It is not a feature that I can enable with a sales code.

In the dead center of the wheel, there is a hole which centers the wheel on the hub. The hole is normally concealed with a cap. In the picture, it looks to me like the cap is missing and there's a little snow accumulating in the bottom of the hole. The caps should be on all four wheels when you take delivery. Hard to tell but I think it's in place on the driver's side rear wheel.

You must be so psyched! Best of luck with it and keep the pictures coming! Make sure they replace the missing center cap on the driver's side front wheel!