Journeyman425

Thank you for that info. I haven't seen that issue yet at my store but good to know should one come in with your symptoms. Thanks!

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Yeah, they've gone and done it...look at the reflection in the Journey...

Copper Pearl shows the salt very clearly, doesn't it? Kinda "in your face" salt! I hate when it is so dirty. Windancer, I always loved that picture. You have such a unique looking Journey. Did you know that there is a song by The Guess Who called "Running Back To Saskatoon"?

I've only done it twice. But you're right, the anticipation was agonizing - especially the first time. My 300M was built and delivered in just under six weeks, but it might as well have been six years. But yes - worth the wait. I I still have that car. I got an unexpected upgrade as well. Shortly after I ordered the car, the factory upgraded the wheels from 16" to 17", which is was I wanted but were not available with the Performance Handling Group. I found out about the upgrade after the car was built but before it was shipped, and thought there must have been an error in the description. When it finally arrived, it wore the 17's that I wanted all along.

Check underhood for any fluid leak or spillage. Look under the engine for anything wet with fluid there, too. Any recent service work done?

Current .. Train Departure 02/24/2014 09:30 PM EST On Railcar - Marshall, TX Future .. Railcar - Interchanged 02/25/2014 02:07 PM EST East Saint Louis, IL .. Railcar - Interchanged 02/27/2014 03:07 AM EST East Saint Louis, IL .. Railcar Placed at Destination Facility 03/04/2014 08:27 PM EST East Brookfield, MA .. Unloaded From Railcar 03/05/2014 02:27 AM EST East Brookfield, MA .. Vehicle Delivered to Dealer 03/07/2014 11:07 PM EST 495 Chrysler Jeep Dodge, Inc. Lowell, MA

Might be for the trailer tow harness. When we prepped my 2013 in the shop, the trailer harness was shipped in a bag along with the center caps, floor mats, etc. We connected it to an existing harness in the same area as your connector, and then fastened it to the inside of the rear fascia. The plug for the trailer ultimately ends up at the hitch receiver, where it rests in a bracket next to the receiver itself. If you want, post the last 8 of your VIN and I can see if your Journey was built with Trailer Tow Prep. From the service manual: 08 - Electrical/8L - Lamps and Lighting/Lamps/Lighting - Exterior/WIRING, Trailer Tow/Operation OPERATIONThe trailer tow preparation wiring harness is connected to the body wire harness near the left side of the spare tire, just forward of the rear bumper reinforcement. After installation is complete, a trailer tow right stop/turn relay, a trailer tow left stop/turn relay and a trailer tow park lamps relay are secured to the trailer tow harness on the underside of the rear bumper reinforcement behind the rear fascia. The four-way trailer tow connector is located near the center of the rear fascia.

Finally - car has been covered with road salt and spray for weeks. Temp is 50 degrees and sunny now. Snow in tomorrow morning's forecast, and again on Wednesday with temps in the teens and 20's. I don't care if it is only going to look good for a few hours - I just HAD to clean it!

Back in the day of my above story, most of the water leaks this guy repaired were not sunroof leaks. Lots of water coming in through windshield cowls and gaps between the front doors and a-pillars, Lots of firewall leaks as aftermarket alarms and stereos were popular modifications. Sunroofs were a lot less common as a feature, but were not as often the cause. Most, in fact, were not. I have been very fortunate with my sunroofs. I've owned six cars including the Journey with sunroofs and they have not leaked. Even so, I was hesitant to order our Journey with a roof due to the number of leaks I have seen due to clogged drains. So far, it has been OK. I *might* take it to the car wash tomorrow for the first time (I have only hand washed it so far). We'll see...

Welcome to the forum. Nice car!

It's really very interesting how the gamut runs from horrible to wonderful with respect to the Journey's winter handling prowess on this forum. My own experience has been favorable overall. Ours is a 2013 Crew with 225/55/19 stock Kumho's and Front Wheel Drive. Mileage is now 14,000. Accelerating from a stop in snow often produces lots of wheelspin which is mitigated nicely by the TCS and lessened considerably if I use Autostick and start in 2nd or 3rd gear. Tracking on snow covered roads has been fine, My 2000 300M is more sure-footed in snow overall. I would attribute that to the Michelin Pilot HX tires and a 64% weight bias on the front wheels. I had another 300M on the road before the Journey which at one time wore Falken Ziex tires, and they were absolutely horrible in snow. That was a true apples-to-apples comparison since the '99 and '00 were mechanically identical vehicles. Tires make all the difference in the world. But I have no complaints about the Journey. Our terrain is flat overall, but even on the mild hills around here, it always digs in and gets moving.

I'm not defending these two dealers, but I would like to present another side of a story if I may... Years ago at my last job, there was a indeed a "water leak specialist" that my store used to sublet stubborn water leaks to. This individual used to travel from dealer to dealer with his own tools and equipment, only using the shop's wash bay or outside hose for water testing purposes. All he did was repair water leaks, and as such billed himself as a "specialist". Back then, vehicle assembly quality was not as good as it is now and often times there were missing welds, poorly seated weatherstrips and ill-fitting body panels that would allow water into vehicles in all sorts of places. Finding these leaks was often tedious and time-consuming, so it was simply easier to sublet the job to the water leak guy - and often less expensive, too. He sometimes used a powder that would mix with the water and leave a trail which would lead to the leak source, much like oil and transmission fluid dyes added to engines and transmissions help trace fluid leak sources. Nowadays, water leaks are far less common and easily handled by shop technicians, at least at my shop. In all likelihood, these dealerships are placating the customers by buying time using the "leak specialist card". Not sure if these dealerships still sublet to an outsider or if they have someone who is more proficient at leak repair than another. But at one time, the "leak specialist" did, in fact, exist!

Good to have you here, Regina. Welcome!

Cam sensor is 3/36. Here's a list of covered engine components: E. Parts Covered The Powertrain Limited Warranty covers these parts and components of your vehicle's powertrain supplied by Chrysler Group LLC: Gasoline Engine: cylinder block and all internal parts; cylinder head assemblies; timing case, timing chain, timing belt, gears and sprockets; vibration damper; oil pump; water pump and housing; intake and exhaust manifolds; flywheel with starter ring gear; core plugs; valve covers; oil pan; turbocharger housing and internal parts; turbocharger wastegate actuator; supercharger; serpentine belt tensioner; seals and gaskets for listed components only. I have yet to see a cam sensor go bad in a 3.6. Doesn't mean it can't happen but the code should be diagnosed (if it hasn't been already) rather than just replacing the part on a guess.

08 - Electrical / 8I - Ignition Control / SENSOR, Camshaft Position/Removal 3.6L Labor Operations: Click to display a list of Labor Operations associated with this procedure Primary LOP Related LOP Description Skill Level Skill Category 081579P2 - Sensor, Cam position 3.6 Liter engine Right side 2 - Skilled 8 081579P3 - Sensor, Cam position 3.6 Liter engine- Left side 2 - Skilled 8 08157910 - Sensor, Cam position All other engines 2 - Skilled 8 CAUTION: The magnetic timing wheels (1) must not come in contact with magnets (pickup tools, trays, etc.) or any other strong magnetic field. This will destroy the timing wheels ability to correctly relay camshaft position to the camshaft position sensor. The Camshaft Position (CMP) sensors are located at the rear of the cylinder head covers and are bolted to the cylinder head. Disconnect and isolate the negative battery cable. Remove the air cleaner body (Refer to 09 - Engine/Air Intake System/BODY, Air Cleaner - Removal) . If removing the LH CMP sensor, first remove the upper intake manifold (2) (Refer to 09 - Engine/Manifolds/MANIFOLD, Intake - Removal) . NOTE: The RH CMP sensor is shown, the LH CMP sensor is similar. If removing both RH and LH CMP sensors, mark the sensors so they can be installed in their original locations. Disconnect the electrical connector (1) from the CMP sensor. Loosen the sensor mounting bolt (2). Pull the sensor and mounting bolt from the cylinder head cover. The O-ring seal (1) can be reused if not damaged.

The best thing for cold weather fuel economy is to let the engine run for about 30 seconds after a cold start, then drive slowly to moderately for the first few miles. The engine will wam up quickest this way and burn the least amount of fuel, relatively speaking. I know this, but I just can't stand getting into a cold car, so I remote start like there's no tomorrow...

Absolutely. I am a real sucker for remote start, especially the Journey when you get in it and the seat and steering wheel are warm. I use it constantly, and yes, our average fuel economy is off at least 4 mpg from the summertime. Remember: at idle, your vehicle is achieving zero miles per gallon. I don't care, though - I HATE a cold car. If I can't have it clean, at least let me have it warm!!

Thanks for the update and please let me know how things turn out.

The It is not in production yet. Should be available for ordering soon.

You are all very welcome. Nice group of people here; happy to help! Researching your questions helps me do my job, too.

Debra - Any updates on what is happening with you and your Journey? Thanks, and please keep me posted when you can.

I would be very surprised if they didn't. The Journey is a huge seller in Canada.

Yes, your build date is the 10th. No, don't worry - most of the cars' assembly is via robot anyway; they could give a rat's hiney what day it is...