nyundacover321 Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 I have a 2010 Journey in the past 3 years this car has an issue with not starting. If you turn the car off to pump gas and try to cut it back on it won't start.. We've gotten into the habit of keeping the car running while we run errands so we won't be stranded. My mechanic says Dodge clearly knows what the problem is but won't acknowledge it due to the amount of money they would have to spend on recalls. Its not the starter, it's not the ignition, or key. I went in for the key recall!! This car starts whenever it feels like it. My car has 130,000 miles on it and it has no other issues but that. I wish dodge would rectify their customers issues because it seems like I'm not alone!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summer Solstice Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 I would seek a different mechanic's opinion. If your current mechanic knows that Dodge knows, but does not know himself, it sounds more like a biased opinion than fact. If he knows what it is, why does he not fix it? I don't see a lot of Journeys sitting at gas pumps, or elsewhere, because of some widespread problem. Sounds like an intermittent electrical problem. They can be a bear to find but clearly your mechanic does not appear to know where to look. OhareFred and 2late4u 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeaton Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) You won't spend money on recalls....just saying....if your "mechanic" thinks you do, find another one, as stated. May be time for a dealer intervention...or a technician instead of a mechanic. Edited February 17, 2020 by jkeaton OhareFred and 2late4u 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyundacover321 Posted February 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 I've had all of my recalls done I've taken this car to the dealer on a flatbed several times.... No codes are coming up and about time they go to service the car it started for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyundacover321 Posted February 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 Summer, but I then my mechanic has had several people with journeys come to the shop with the same problem. Of course you don't see journeys at gas pumps because people are getting them towed outta there.. There's an entire forum about this.. (Not on dodge forum). If you go to tube tons of videos are on their with people who have tricks on how they think they can start it.. My mechanic is willing to fix it but the part is about $1400.its the "brain" or computer of the car. A new one would be needed or reset by the dealer. "The dealers keep saying that's not it," (?) I've gone to 4 different dodge dealers. None knows wth is going on.. Alledgedly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2late4u Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 oh well, good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John/Horace Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 ECM main computer almost never fail on any cars. Very robust design, doesn’t even run directly on 12 volts so it can’t get zapped etc. If mechanic is so sure that is problem, get in writing that he guarantees it or he refunds the money if he is wrong. Random no starts or car cutting out while driving with no code stored, is often cps, crank position sensor( or signal from it losing continuity to ecm). Fairly cheap and easily replaced part on most cars. Heat and vibration cause it to fail. On the older hyundai the wires would get visibly frayed and start to ground out. If you are lucky you will sometimes get a cps code pointing you in right direction, like daughter in laws 2012 journey 4 months ago, but not always in my experience. Especially on Hyundai, which are generally good cars. Summer Solstice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2late4u Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 What happens when ECM goes bad? Engine Stalling or Misfiring Erratic engine behavior is another common symptom of a bad or failing ECM. A faulty computer can also be responsible for engine stalling or misfiring, though this tends to be more intermittent. These symptoms may come and go, and may appear to have no pattern to their severity or frequency. nyundacover321 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John/Horace Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 Is that a quote from Mitchel repair guide site. Independent Mechanic shops use that site mainly for costing labor. Have owned over 25 cars over the years and worked on dozens more. My uncle was a licensed car mechanic. Have personally never seen a failed ecm. I bought a used unit from wreckers once as a last resort fix on a Toyota. Ended up being a weird wire harness issue. I admit I’m much better at fixing pure mechanical issues. Free advice is worth everything you pay for it. Have been a member of several car forums as well. About a half dozen times people have replaced ecm for driveability issues; it was never the problem. Car electrical specialist on Hyundai Forums says they are rarely a problem on most cars. Auto spark. Are there actual postings on this site for ecm change(by itself) fixing problems like listed above on a journey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John/Horace Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 I found this link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyundacover321 Posted February 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 So according to my husband he's says another possibility could be the fuse box or something related to the fuse box... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyundacover321 Posted February 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 John /Horace.. No not on here if you look at Car Gurus it's flooded with dodge journey no start issue. Everyone is giving ideas on how to fix the issue... Some say it's the neutral safety switch.. Etc... But there are tons of the same complaints there... If there are no codes coming up you'll spend $$ trying to figure out the problem co. Puter/fuse box/safety switch... Who knows but it's definitely not the start!!! This issue happens to me like 4 times a year then it runs with no problem... Then Bam!!! Sad to get rid of it but I'm not dumping $$ into this nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John/Horace Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 You need a mechanic with good electrical trouble shooting skills. Hard to find sometimes. As someone stated several posts back electrical technician better option than regular mechanic for this type of problem. Lots of journeys on the road will increase postings of problems. I’ve replaced the transmission neutral switch on an old jeep I had, it disabled starter. Usually more of a high milage older car problem. The details of the no start are critical to the trouble shooting process. Turning over and not starting up is completely different to pushing button and starter not even trying to engage. The details really matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyundacover321 Posted February 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 Thanks everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 I had the same issue with my journey and solved the problem myself. 2late4u 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2late4u Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 4 hours ago, Jay said: I had the same issue with my journey and solved the problem myself. AND ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyundacover321 Posted March 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 My mechanic figured something out.. I believe he rewired something..i was so happy that he figured something out I didn't hear exactly what he said he did.. But he said that shouldn't happen anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2late4u Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 hour ago, nyundacover321 said: My mechanic figured something out.. I believe he rewired something..i was so happy that he figured something out I didn't hear exactly what he said he did.. But he said that shouldn't happen anymore please take the time to ask him what he did and report back on it, so others might try the fix...hope he fixed it for you.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyundacover321 Posted March 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 Will do.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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