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Finally - car has been covered with road salt and spray for weeks. Temp is 50 degrees and sunny now. Snow in tomorrow morning's forecast, and again on Wednesday with temps in the teens and 20's. I don't care if it is only going to look good for a few hours - I just HAD to clean it!

Back in the day of my above story, most of the water leaks this guy repaired were not sunroof leaks. Lots of water coming in through windshield cowls and gaps between the front doors and a-pillars, Lots of firewall leaks as aftermarket alarms and stereos were popular modifications. Sunroofs were a lot less common as a feature, but were not as often the cause. Most, in fact, were not. I have been very fortunate with my sunroofs. I've owned six cars including the Journey with sunroofs and they have not leaked. Even so, I was hesitant to order our Journey with a roof due to the number of leaks I have seen due to clogged drains. So far, it has been OK. I *might* take it to the car wash tomorrow for the first time (I have only hand washed it so far). We'll see...

Welcome to the forum. Nice car!

It's really very interesting how the gamut runs from horrible to wonderful with respect to the Journey's winter handling prowess on this forum. My own experience has been favorable overall. Ours is a 2013 Crew with 225/55/19 stock Kumho's and Front Wheel Drive. Mileage is now 14,000. Accelerating from a stop in snow often produces lots of wheelspin which is mitigated nicely by the TCS and lessened considerably if I use Autostick and start in 2nd or 3rd gear. Tracking on snow covered roads has been fine, My 2000 300M is more sure-footed in snow overall. I would attribute that to the Michelin Pilot HX tires and a 64% weight bias on the front wheels. I had another 300M on the road before the Journey which at one time wore Falken Ziex tires, and they were absolutely horrible in snow. That was a true apples-to-apples comparison since the '99 and '00 were mechanically identical vehicles. Tires make all the difference in the world. But I have no complaints about the Journey. Our terrain is flat overall, but even on the mild hills around here, it always digs in and gets moving.

I'm not defending these two dealers, but I would like to present another side of a story if I may... Years ago at my last job, there was a indeed a "water leak specialist" that my store used to sublet stubborn water leaks to. This individual used to travel from dealer to dealer with his own tools and equipment, only using the shop's wash bay or outside hose for water testing purposes. All he did was repair water leaks, and as such billed himself as a "specialist". Back then, vehicle assembly quality was not as good as it is now and often times there were missing welds, poorly seated weatherstrips and ill-fitting body panels that would allow water into vehicles in all sorts of places. Finding these leaks was often tedious and time-consuming, so it was simply easier to sublet the job to the water leak guy - and often less expensive, too. He sometimes used a powder that would mix with the water and leave a trail which would lead to the leak source, much like oil and transmission fluid dyes added to engines and transmissions help trace fluid leak sources. Nowadays, water leaks are far less common and easily handled by shop technicians, at least at my shop. In all likelihood, these dealerships are placating the customers by buying time using the "leak specialist card". Not sure if these dealerships still sublet to an outsider or if they have someone who is more proficient at leak repair than another. But at one time, the "leak specialist" did, in fact, exist!

Good to have you here, Regina. Welcome!

Cam sensor is 3/36. Here's a list of covered engine components: E. Parts Covered The Powertrain Limited Warranty covers these parts and components of your vehicle's powertrain supplied by Chrysler Group LLC: Gasoline Engine: cylinder block and all internal parts; cylinder head assemblies; timing case, timing chain, timing belt, gears and sprockets; vibration damper; oil pump; water pump and housing; intake and exhaust manifolds; flywheel with starter ring gear; core plugs; valve covers; oil pan; turbocharger housing and internal parts; turbocharger wastegate actuator; supercharger; serpentine belt tensioner; seals and gaskets for listed components only. I have yet to see a cam sensor go bad in a 3.6. Doesn't mean it can't happen but the code should be diagnosed (if it hasn't been already) rather than just replacing the part on a guess.

08 - Electrical / 8I - Ignition Control / SENSOR, Camshaft Position/Removal 3.6L Labor Operations: Click to display a list of Labor Operations associated with this procedure Primary LOP Related LOP Description Skill Level Skill Category 081579P2 - Sensor, Cam position 3.6 Liter engine Right side 2 - Skilled 8 081579P3 - Sensor, Cam position 3.6 Liter engine- Left side 2 - Skilled 8 08157910 - Sensor, Cam position All other engines 2 - Skilled 8 CAUTION: The magnetic timing wheels (1) must not come in contact with magnets (pickup tools, trays, etc.) or any other strong magnetic field. This will destroy the timing wheels ability to correctly relay camshaft position to the camshaft position sensor. The Camshaft Position (CMP) sensors are located at the rear of the cylinder head covers and are bolted to the cylinder head. Disconnect and isolate the negative battery cable. Remove the air cleaner body (Refer to 09 - Engine/Air Intake System/BODY, Air Cleaner - Removal) . If removing the LH CMP sensor, first remove the upper intake manifold (2) (Refer to 09 - Engine/Manifolds/MANIFOLD, Intake - Removal) . NOTE: The RH CMP sensor is shown, the LH CMP sensor is similar. If removing both RH and LH CMP sensors, mark the sensors so they can be installed in their original locations. Disconnect the electrical connector (1) from the CMP sensor. Loosen the sensor mounting bolt (2). Pull the sensor and mounting bolt from the cylinder head cover. The O-ring seal (1) can be reused if not damaged.

The best thing for cold weather fuel economy is to let the engine run for about 30 seconds after a cold start, then drive slowly to moderately for the first few miles. The engine will wam up quickest this way and burn the least amount of fuel, relatively speaking. I know this, but I just can't stand getting into a cold car, so I remote start like there's no tomorrow...

Absolutely. I am a real sucker for remote start, especially the Journey when you get in it and the seat and steering wheel are warm. I use it constantly, and yes, our average fuel economy is off at least 4 mpg from the summertime. Remember: at idle, your vehicle is achieving zero miles per gallon. I don't care, though - I HATE a cold car. If I can't have it clean, at least let me have it warm!!

Thanks for the update and please let me know how things turn out.

The It is not in production yet. Should be available for ordering soon.

You are all very welcome. Nice group of people here; happy to help! Researching your questions helps me do my job, too.

Debra - Any updates on what is happening with you and your Journey? Thanks, and please keep me posted when you can.

I would be very surprised if they didn't. The Journey is a huge seller in Canada.

Yes, your build date is the 10th. No, don't worry - most of the cars' assembly is via robot anyway; they could give a rat's hiney what day it is...

These documents never copy and paste well, sorry if it looks a bit cryptic. Looks like your Journey is due in to 495 CJD on or about March 3rd. Please bear in mind that mine was due in at my store on May10th but it did not come until the 15th, and then a couple of days to prep, install the hitch and clean for delivery. I took delivery on the 18th. Mine also moved out of Toluca during the spring so the weather was clear. Given the kind of winter we're having, there may be weather delays but let's hope not! Anyway, here's the info: Vehicle Shipment Status and History Creation Date: 02-12-2014 09:59 PM EST Vehicle Status Vehicle Movement Vehicle Status and Information Vehicle Information Vehicle Identification Number (VIN): 3C4PDCBG1ET226928 Order Number (VON): 30644161 Sold Order: Yes Vehicle Status Current Location: Tracomex Yard Toluca, EM Bay Information: TRAC1 Build Code: Plant Release (KZ), 02/11/2014 Dealer Delivery ETA: 03/03/2014 *ETA is an estimated date for delivery, not a promise or guarantee. Actual delivery may vary. Vehicle Distribution Information Origin Assembly Plant: Toluca Assembly, EM Origin Shipping Location: Toluca Assembly, EM Distribution Center: East Brookfield, MA Vehicle Description Year: 2014 Make: Dodge Model: JOURNEY Color: Pearl White Tri-coat Dealer Information Dealer Code: 60393 Address: 495 Chrysler Jeep Dodge, Inc. 724 Rogers ST Lowell, MA 018524338 Vehicle Movement Information Route Movements Event Date Location Completed .. Adv Shp Notice - Pre-release 01/22/2014 06:48 AM CST Toluca Assembly, EM .. Adv Shp Notice - Pre-release 01/22/2014 06:48 AM CST Toluca Assembly, EM .. Scheduled for Build (D1) 01/24/2014 07:08 AM CST Toluca Assembly, EM .. Bay Location Update 02/10/2014 12:36 PM CST N/A .. Built - Pending Inspection (I) 02/10/2014 12:47 PM CST Toluca Assembly, EM .. Vehicle Built (J) 02/10/2014 01:27 PM CST Toluca Assembly, EM .. Vehicle Built (J) 02/10/2014 01:27 PM CST Toluca Assembly, EM .. Vehicle Built (J) 02/10/2014 01:27 PM CST Toluca Assembly, EM .. Vehicle Built (J) 02/10/2014 01:27 PM CST Toluca Assembly, EM .. Vehicle Built (J) 02/10/2014 01:27 PM CST Toluca Assembly, EM .. Ship To Storage (JS) 02/10/2014 01:35 PM CST Toluca Assembly, EM .. Ship To Storage (JS) 02/10/2014 01:35 PM CST Toluca Assembly, EM .. Ship To Storage (JS) 02/10/2014 01:35 PM CST Toluca Assembly, EM .. Ship To Storage (JS) 02/10/2014 01:35 PM CST Toluca Assembly, EM .. Ship To Storage (JS) 02/10/2014 01:35 PM CST Toluca Assembly, EM .. Ship To Storage (JS) 02/10/2014 01:35 PM CST Toluca Assembly, EM .. Ship To Storage (JS) 02/10/2014 01:35 PM CST Toluca Assembly, EM .. In Bay At Facility 02/10/2014 01:36 PM CST Toluca Assembly, EM .. Departed Facility 02/10/2014 01:58 PM CST Toluca Assembly, EM .. In Bay At Facility 02/10/2014 02:11 PM CST Tracomex Yard Toluca, EM .. Picked Up For Shuttle 02/11/2014 07:01 AM CST Toluca Assembly, EM .. Shuttled to Facility 02/11/2014 11:59 AM CST Tracomex Yard Toluca, EM Current .. Plant Release (KZ) 02/11/2014 06:56 PM CST Toluca Assembly, EM Future .. Loaded On Railcar 02/14/2014 04:56 PM CST Toluca Assembly, EM .. Railcar - Interchanged 02/17/2014 10:56 PM CST Laredo, TX .. Railcar - Interchanged 02/20/2014 09:56 AM CST East Saint Louis, IL .. Railcar - Interchanged 02/21/2014 01:56 PM CST East Saint Louis, IL .. Railcar Placed at Destination Facility 02/26/2014 06:56 PM CST East Brookfield, MA .. Unloaded From Railcar 02/26/2014 11:56 PM CST East Brookfield, MA .. Vehicle Delivered to Dealer 03/02/2014 11:01 PM CST 495 Chrysler Jeep Dodge, Inc. Lowell, MA

If you post your VON or the last eight of the VIN, I can give you some detailed status updates.

Mine makes the sound that a power steering pump makes when its very low on fluid - just for a brief 1-2 seconds and only when it's super cold, like low teens or single digits and on first morning start up. I consider that to be normal operation in those kinds of temps. Fluid viscosities are very high when the temps are that cold and it takes longer for things to start flowing. No worries.

iPhone 5 does not work either.

RTman - what kind of phone do you have? I have an iPhone 4S and apparently it does not support "Voice Text Reply over Bluetooth". I will check my son's iPhone 5 and see if it works. I'll let you know. Again, my apologies for misinforming you in my earlier posts.

If one of my customers just bought a 2014 vehicle from us and requested the DRL be activated, we would do so at no charge. It takes 15 minutes to do at best, often less. You might ask your salesperson to intervene on your behalf, or introduce yourself to the service manager and request that it be done as part of the sale. You were likely quoted by the service advisor at the service desk who may not know that you just bought the car from them.

From the Chicao Auto Show: http://www.autoblog.com/2014/02/06/2014-dodge-journey-crossroad-chicago-2014/ I think the tire size is 255/60/19 - can just barely make it out in one of the photos.

8.4A is embedded with Uconnect Access (hence the "A" designation) which is a series of features similar to GM's OnStar - there is a button in the rearview mirror of a 8.4A equipped vehicle which will call 911 or Roadside assistance via the interface with the radio. When you register for Uconnect Access, you receive an app for your smartphone which then allows you to remote start, remote door lock/unlock, receive vehicle theft alarm messages, and voice message dictation via your phone. Other Uconnect access features include the Bing search engine, SRT Performance Pages and the ability to turn your radio into a WiFi hotspot. I made a critical error in my statement about text message support. Nowhere in my dealer literature is there a discussion about text messaging via the radio. It only discusses Voice Texting, which as I mentioned above, is only available with the 8.4A/AN radio. Voice texting allows you to dictate to the VR system in the car, and then it translates that into text messages which are then sent by your phone via the bluetooth system. As air1rfc so eloquently demonstrated (and I thank you for that) you can indeed text with certain phones. I've never seen it work in any of my customers' cars (presumably because nearly all of them have smartphones) and just as he pointed out, it does not work with the iPhones, of which all four of my family members have. I have the Owner's Manual downloaded on my desktop as a PDF - I put it there when I ordered the car and read through it over the six weeks that it took to build it and deliver it to my shop. This version does not discuss the radio functions in detail. The Owner's Guide which is supplied with the car does. I stand corrected by air1rfc and by the book: Voice Text Reply - Uconnect Phone can read or send new text messages on your mobile phone. your mobile phone must support Voice Text Reply over Bluetooth in order to use this feature. If not compatible, the "Messaging" button will be greyed out... I'm truly sorry for the misinformation, guys. As of now, Uconnect access is available on these models: http://www.driveuconnect.com/features/uconnect_access/packages/