abelizer Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 What year did this option become available and could I simply bolt one into my "new" 2012 Journey? thanks! dhh3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bramfrank Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 It was described in the manual for my '11, so it was probably in all of the current-design models ('11 onward). Adding it involves removing and replacing the entire seat assembly which isn't 'difficult', but is probably a 2 person job to muscle the entire seat out and back in.You can probably locate one at a scrap yard. jkeaton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryl Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 You have to be careful of the wiring harness connectors they are not all the same size I found this out dhh3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bramfrank Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 The only electrical option for the passenger seat is whether it is heated or not, no? I'd suspect that this would be the mitigating factor in whether the connector would be the same or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhareFred Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 My 09 has it and i took delivery of the car in July of 08, so its been an option since day one. Other than the airbag and heated seats hookup, i would think it wouldbe fairly easy swap. dhh3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhh3 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Mine did not come with heated seats. When I went to add them, they could only do the backrest on the passenger side because of "a sensor" - probably the one for the air bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bramfrank Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Good point, but he'd be replacing the entire seat, right down to the rails - and the weight sensor is part of every passenger seat in all of the Journeys, so still no more difference than replacing the seat with one that has heating elements vs. one that doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeaton Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 You would maybe have to have the sensor calibrated by the dealer. The airbag light could come on once you unplug the sensor. I know it does in Dakotas dhh3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryl Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 my 2013 has a smaller connector than the 2011 seats that I got on both pass and driver sides dhh3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindSquirrel Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) I've noted that the seatbelt chime only goes off when someone is sitting there. I've often wondered how much weight it would take to make the car think someone was there and not belted up. Would 10kg be enough? 20? If I happened to be carting 20L of water for whatever reason, would I need to put the seatbelt in to make the damned thing cease its racket? Oh yeah; Tangent Alert. Edited December 22, 2015 by BlindSquirrel dhh3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcaliber81 Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 Well I fill an 19.8 ltr jug of water and quote often place it on the passenger seat and it don't go off. That's like 40 lbs? dhh3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bramfrank Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 It's simple enough to disable the chime - I've always had it off on my Journeys. In any case there is no calibration of the occupancy switch required - it's a switch.And it would also be a simple matter to swap connectors between the seats if the replacement has a different size.Neither is a significant issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryl Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 I looked under mine and apart from cutting every wire the connectors dont match not just unplug and plug dhh3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhh3 Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 With the huge back brace I am still wearing (I am referred to as Darth Vader), and my seat all the way up, finding the end for the seat belt became too difficult. I found a seat belt extender, the one with no webbing, that just clips into the original. Now, if I'm the only one in the car, the chime never comes on. Sometimes I get to my destination, only to find I never put on my seatbelt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindSquirrel Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 19.8 ltr jug of water Fun fact about water: It weighs 1kg per litre. I reckon that the unit of a litre was designed to be a kilo worth because the kilogram has been around for 200 years. dhh3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bramfrank Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 That's why we have access to the online wiring diagram - simple enough to figure out and splice the connector from the old seat onto the new one. Of course if you get the right seat from the same model year it won't be an issue, because the connectors will be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryl Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 Correct dhh3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhareFred Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) You could always 1: make your own connector using crimp connectors or 2: make a soder connection with shrink tubing covering the connections. All the connector is for is ease of swapping out seats, sensors, etc. when the seat needs to be removed. Not system critical. Edited December 23, 2015 by OhareFred dhh3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcaliber81 Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 (edited) Can't he just snip the floor connector on the junked car and unpin the connecter and push the wires into the ones he want to use? I had to do this in my jeep all I needed was a tiny flat screwdriver Edited December 24, 2015 by xcaliber81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bramfrank Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 Yes he can - I don't know how many ways we can all say the same thing . . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abelizer Posted December 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 Thanks for all the great info! I hadn't even considered the electrical aspect of the swap, nice to know that these seat have been in production for a while and I'll likely find one at a wrecker. dhh3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman9000 Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 Was this option separate from other seating options? I have the third row seat and folding second row but can't figure out if the front seat folds flat or not. I can't seem to make it happen so I probably don't have it. Do you operate the folding by simply using the same lever that controls the seatback angle? dhh3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bramfrank Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 Yes - if you have it you just lift the lever and fold the seat back forward and it will lie flat. jkeaton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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