casey sohc Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) Hi there i am a newbie here and i just did an engine swap in my journey ...what a pain to do...i was lucky enough to find another 09 journey engine ..i had some issues changing it but nothing too major.there are a few engines that fit and are the same....i was told by the scrap yard that only the journey and sebring were interchangable... i changed ours because it was going through 6 liters of coolant a week, and between 3 to 5 liters of oil between oil changes...i thought we could get more than 172000km out of it...but nope. surprisingly the engine will come out through the top ...and is a complete bugger to change.and for everyone who are having multiple misfires and and poor performance and stumbling aparently these are known for cracking heads and intakes, the exhaust valves are all chalk coloured white from running on coolant. Edited November 9, 2015 by casey sohc dhh3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casey sohc Posted November 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) here is an update on this....the engine works like it should...now when i installed the new engine the computer would not recognize the throttlebody with the "fly by wire " servo.(the red hourglass with the lightning bolt was lit on the dash) i replaced the intake plenuim(ugly plastic chummy) with my original one and all was right with the world in that respect....we used the car for a few days and wouldn't you know it ...the NO START issue is still there... when the problem happens no servos do any movements under the hood...there is just deadness and the starter grunts the engine over about 10 degrees...nice! i picked up the used ECM from the same auto recycler that the engine came from..infact it is the ecm for the engine i'm using from the same journey...great i plugged it in friday night and the engine started and the "fly by wire " warning light was lit and the engine shut off in 30 seconds with the security light flashing....so im off to the dealer to have the newish ecm flashed tomorrow....i would have thought that a new starter,ignition,used engine and wireing under the hood would have also cured my no start issue but no!..here is the last kick at the cat with the ecm...i sure hope it does it,it does seem like the mileage has something to do with the no start, most i've read about have had around 60K miles (100k KM )and above just off of warranty..hummmm !!! makes you think..... Edited November 9, 2015 by casey sohc dhh3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onecrazyfoo4u Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Wow, kudos to you. I think you're the first on this forum I've seen that's swapped an engine. I'm at 97k and hope to go another 100k miles before having to do this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhh3 Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Which engine is this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casey sohc Posted November 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 this is the 3.5 liter v6 and it had issues from the get go..it would knock and make noises sometimes at start up ( not every time,) like it was low on oil...or flat lifters..if you shut it down and started it 3 times the noises went away...i think it suffered from tourettes..it loved oil sometimes ingesting 4-5 liters between changes. but the last straw was the drinking of antifreeze, it broke the coolant bottle,i tried to fix it...nope $89 for a new one then it started overheating and then we purchased another engine that is certified for 3 months unlimited mileage from the auto recyclers. dhh3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casey sohc Posted November 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Wow, kudos to you. I think you're the first on this forum I've seen that's swapped an engine. I'm at 97k and hope to go another 100k miles before having to do this! this engine was at 172000km which is around 110000miles dhh3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casey sohc Posted November 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 well the computer..ECM is in and flashed....but i now have a check engine light on.for a low voltage on fuel level #2....wtf is that? apparently the all wheel drive have 2 fuel level indicators..and my new to me ecm is from an awd.. not fwd like ours...time will tell about the starting thing..one good thing the car with new engine and ecm is showing 9.6 l/100 km we have never seen anything better than 11l/100km.. humm maybe there is something good going on... dhh3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casey sohc Posted November 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 nope!...not the computer the car just had a "no start" my wife called...crap! she turned the key on messed with the gearshifter and it started...here we go again...check the range selector switch. dhh3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Billy Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 trade it in for a new one. good rebates are on them and you can get one dirt cheap for like 18k if you dont mind a striped down one ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcaliber81 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 With 170k showing and an engine swap he won't get much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casey sohc Posted November 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 with 170 on it i may be able to trade it for another toyota echo...lol .....now its a matter of figuring out the problem, it is a beautiful car to drive,it handles great,lots of room with 7 seats the 2 kids both of us and the dog have a seat...but what a pain to get information on and work on...the stupid problems and no dealer support when they know the issues..arrgh!i am very much afraid that this is my last north american made family car....i drive a beat to hell 2002 toyota echo to work with 250000km on it and i trust that it will start every time and easy to work on ...plus i paid next to nothing for it.as for trading it in...that would be very dishonest for the next owner..very dishonest. i am looking into the range selector in the transmission now..it could be the issue...but there is almost nothing else to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcaliber81 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 I have a 94 grand cherokee in drive to work everytime and it has 500000 kms on it and it's never let me down in the 4. 5 years I've owned it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casey sohc Posted November 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 I have a 94 grand cherokee in drive to work everytime and it has 500000 kms on it and it's never let me down in the 4. 5 years I've owned it. i also have a 1996 dodge ram 2500 diesel long box extra cab 4x4 that has 310000miles (530000 ish km)i tow a 32 foot 5th wheel with it and trust it everywhere last summer we towed from halifax to Quebec city and the truck never skipped a beat...i am loosing faith in the journey, if the mrs didn't like it so much it would have been gone...but as i stated before it rides amazing and is as comfortable as caddy...just dont shut it off...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borjawil Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 Casey, shot you a pm to see how you pulled it from the top and how you did so while.leaving the trans in. Trying to drop my engine through the bottom and leave the trans but whatever works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeaton Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 11 hours ago, Borjawil said: Casey, shot you a pm to see how you pulled it from the top and how you did so while.leaving the trans in. Trying to drop my engine through the bottom and leave the trans but whatever works. He has not been active on this forum for 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borjawil Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 He sent me a pm. But I figured it out. In my other post on how to pull engine. jkeaton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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