We purchased our journey in Dec. for 22,064 out the door (includes all dealer incentives, rebates, tax/tag, dealer fees, etc.) no down payment, no trade, tag good till 2014. It is a 13 sxt 4cyl. with 3rd row. Dealer was 200 miles away and delivered for free. I just emailed and asked for their best price. I found out later that the sales manager handles the internet quotes so there are no salesmen to deal with. I feel I got a pretty good deal and I didn't have to haggle (I hate dealing with pushy salesmen). Hope this helps.