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Thanks Chris - email will come soon from the above mentioned adress ...

Hey Chris, I´m not able to send you a PM yet. But I think it´s not that big secret ... anyway I won´t show the last three .. perhaps the major part is enough for you to look: 3D4GGN7B79T190XXX But beside to know what are the right numbers for me, is to know what for are the others and are there any differences in sizes? I.e. rotor diameter or pad thickness I made further checks and I think that the difference could be with ABS and w/o ABS. The pad ...63AA has thickness of 17,5mm (ABS) and ...64AA has 18,5mm (non ABS). But are there really existing Jounreys w/o ABS ??? My email is greed_alias_greed@arcor.de. Maybe you mail me your email adress because I have another question to you not be be discussed in a forum. Thanks a lot for your help in advance.

Hey guys, I have also to replace brake pads and rotors on our 2008 Journey SE 5MT (model for german market). In the www I found some informations which shows 2 different OE numbers each for brakes and rotors: Rotors: 04721995AA code "BRF" 68032944AA code "BR3" Brake pads: 68029264AA code "BRF" 68029263AA code "BR3" Does anybody knows the meaning of the codes BRF and BR3??? Both numbers each are for 2008 Journey diesel 2.0 & gasoline 2.4, 2.7 and 3.5 engines. Thanks for any helpful information. Greetz from Stuttgart/Germany Horst

Sorry to hear that you all have such problems with your 2.4 SE. I´m located in Germany and driving my Journey 2.4 MT since October 2008, but mostly city and around - very less highways. The 2.4 4cyl european versions (in Germany and Austria only as SE, and other countries as SXT) don´t have the 4-speed-automatic, only a 5gear manual transmisson. I don´t feel that´s it´s a week engine, but perhaps the characteristics are different to the automatic. I also have no comparison to the 2,7V6 (only in Austria available) or the 3.5V6 US Version. Since two weeks I have now my summer tires on and I tested the high speed with a TomTom Navi - it goes 195 km/h which is 121 miles per hour - not too bad for that 4 cylinder don´t you think??? But this is not the way to drive a Journey. I like to drive my Journey around 90 miles (140 km) on highways - where it is allowed. On highways around bigger cities we have often speed limit between 62-75 miles (100-120 km). So for me it´s not really important to have a 6 cyilnder - the fuel consumption would be also to much. Right now I got no problems which my Journey so far *knockonwood*, only the fuel consumption over winter time with winter tires seemed to much for me. But this afternoon I visit my dealer to see if he can adjust the engine a bit or they have a software update which helps. With a gosoline price of 1,20 EURO per litre it´s important to save a bit. As we have not to cover such long distances here in Germany (we are smaller than Wisconsin and Wyoming together) our first problems will occur perhaps only a bit later than in the USA or Canada. So don´t despair on your Journeys - I think it´s more or less usual that completely new cars have what we call "teething troubles". I´m sure that your dealers will find solutions for all of this problems. And I´m sure that it is a good and fair car - if not I´ve never bought it after my two Voyagers. CU soon again here inForum.

Look into the "interior" thread "Winter tires" and read what can happen. And for your own safety you don´t wanna spend some bucks? Bad desicion.

I agree - so anyone who means to save money for this system on winter wheels is just silly !!!!!!!!!!! It´s a low payment for a big safety.

@ larryl From the economic side thats the best solution, but the 2.0 CRD (Volkswagen TDI) together with the DSG is no succesful solution because not working good together (engine had to work on wrong high/low level because DSG switched not early enough up or downj. And this engine has again less power (140PS). Some guys here in Germany made a engine tuning which gives +30-35PS and more than +50NM. Was told that after this engine and DSG fits better together. My decision for the 2.4 (we don´t have the 3.5 - would never buy it - see statement above) was because we run really low kilometers on our Journey. The Diesel ist more expensive, difference between gas and diesel price is now only a few cents, tax and insurance are higher than for the the gasoline modell. So you get only a benefit if you run many kilometers per year. In the USA where you have to bridge really long distances compared to our little Germany this would be not only nice - this would make really sense for you.

@ crh47 and EMSBronco Sorry that my words arrived so partial - I´ve never affirmed that they are many reasons to drive a 6 cylinder or an AWD. But you will agree to the fact that many people drives a 6 CYL, even they do not need it really, only because it´s more comfortable and has more torque - but because they never drove something else they "feel" the 4 cylinder to weak. So guys don´t worry - it was nothing against you or 6 cylinders. Also here in Germany many people drives VW Touareg, Mercedes ML class, BMW X3/X5 all with 6 cylinders and also many of the with AWD - and in the city you don´t need it for sure. So keep a good drive with your Journeys - we like ours.

Hi coming from south Germany and living in a city with 600.000 people. Have no big experience on our Journey 2.4 MT (Manual Transmission), also 170PS as the US AT version, because we drive it only since 5 weeks and have just low kilometers on it. Last tankful was driven only under city conditions - engine don´t gets operation temperature and stop and go traffic etc. - so my consumption is about 19,4 mpg (12,2l per 100 km). But I think after some more kilometers consumption will drop down - will see what will happen when we get a better city/country road/highway-mix. At least one personally comment from my side - why you all wanna drive a Journey 6-cylinder? The Journey is no sportscar and in times of permanently fuel price increasing we all should look to more economic engines. The 6-cylinder is more comfortable - YES - but the 4 cylinder is doing the same good work. And you drive on your highways only 60 or 70 mph maximum. Around my city directly the highways are limited between 62,5 and 75 miles, but then after some kilometers many highways are open and if traffic allows we drive normally 90-100mpg, sometimes if we want up 117,5 or what else is the maximum speed. I don´t want to give you instructions, but in this times all commodities getting more and more expensive (for fuel, heating etc.) and our fuel prices are much higher than yours. So it´s time to use new technologies which give us more savings.

Do you mean 225/65/-17 ???? The tires in Germany/Europe are always in 5er steps - 195, 205, 215, 225, 235 etc. and then /width/wheel diameter - but not 222 or 227. Should be the same in the States, too.

Oooops !!! Sorry - don´t know how I could mix this - Yes, you are definitely right !!!

Here in Germany the SE has tire size of 225/65-16. My winter tires are nice Fulda Supremo. Next year I´m gonna sell my 16 inches summer rims (got the car in october only with summer wheels) with Yokohama A-Spec with same size as winter and wanna buy some 19" or 20" wheels if the market offers then some nice and unique rims. But in Germany you need for special rims a certificate from german TÜV (Technical Control Board) - where you also have to show your car every two years for security inspection (new cars after 3 years, then every 2). So let´s wait what they offer for Journeys which are currently very rare in Europe - but fortunately they have same bolt circle than i.e. Mitsubsihi (5x114,3) so could be a nice choice next spring.

YES, I agree that smaller tires will have better traction. Also if you go down on 16 or 17" you have more place in the wheelhouse, which is better if you have snowy winters. I´m from Germany and since 2 weeks I drive the 2.4 SE which is equipped with 16". My winter tires (FULDA Supremo) I bought now also have the TPMS. I inspected summer and winter tires (both 16") and they have thicker metal air valves. So the system is not like a band inside the rim, it´s the cheaper valve control system you can use also for 16 or 17" wheels without problem. The system will warn you if the pressure is going down significantly, no difference which inch size is on the car. Next year I change my summer tires to 18/19" - but I will wait what market has to offer - I don´t like to have rims from Dodge or from some specialized Dodge spare parts companies because they all look the same. Ask your dealer - buy the valves - and then buy your tires whereever you want. Perhaps he a good offer for the complete winter package for you.

Hi crh47, as promised yesterday pls find below real image from the manual gear shift of my Journey SE 2.4 MT. And, Sam, I was right when I told you not to believe all you see on internet pages. The image from the german Dodge page shows a shift with a ring below which is used by some manufacturers to unlock the access to the reverse gear. Chrysler and Dodge MTs normally don´t have this. For example my small Renault Clio, which I drive only to office and back, has this kind of shift because reverse gear is beside the 1st gear. The Journey 2.4 MT has the reverse beside the 5th. But now, if I think about it could be is that the Dodge image shows the 6-speed manual of the VW Diesel (which is also available with the 6-speed DSG AT) - so it would be logic to have the reverse beside the 1st gear. Then it is used this ring lock to avoid that you come into reverse, altough you want to use the 1st gear. So, Sam, your information is perhaps not untrue - pls take my apologies for that. If there´s something more of interest on german Journey versions - pls let me know. No accidents, no problems, just a good time with your Journeys...

Think my shift looks small different and I don´t like those professional photos - in real life it all looks diverse - even if it´s from a german homepage like this :D So I will upload real life images soon.

Hi, I´m from STUTTGART, BW (Baden-Württemberg --> a state in Germany) - Neighbor to Bavaria state

Is conversion from gasoline to LPG (liquid gas) so solution in the states? Here in Germany and also in Europe really many fuel stations are selling LPG. It´s around 40-45% cheaper as gasoline, which is expensive with 1,41 Euro per liter at the moment. I testdrove the 2.4 SE MT which had a underfloor tank behind the rear axle. So you still could have the +2 back seats or the underfloor cargo. If LPG is runned out the system changes automatically back to gasoline tank. Costs for modification around 2500-2800 Euros.

OK - tomorrow I load up a photo when we will have full daylight. But I think that it will look not dramatic different because it´s placed the same area as the DSG shift of the Journey 2.0 CRD Diesel from Volkswagen which is available also with a 6-speed manual transmission. The 2.4 MT has only the 5-speed MT available in Germany.

First to Jack - Yes dealers are NOT your friendly you have decide by your feelings, by testing, what you think you need and at the end what you want or be able to pay for it. I agree with JOURNEYMAN - the 4 cylinder is a fine engine which consumes less fuel. AND - HEY WE DRIVING A CROSSOVER/VAN - NOT A SPORTS CAR. And for this the 4 cylinder is quite enough. But I have to make one exception - you all are talking about 3.5 V6 vs 2.4 L4 with automatic transmission. I´m from south Germany and I have to climb often some hills (no mountains) and here we have only the 2.4 MT (5-speed manual transmission). And this manual gear box makes really fun. Also we have a Diesel Version with Volkswagen 2.0 CRD with 6-speed manual or a double-clutch 6-speed automatic (DSG) which gives the best economy to high mileage drivers. But for me with low kilometers per year the gasoline is the best option. But at the end you have to test, test, test and decide on yourself. But be aware that fuel prices will increase in future more and more - so more economic 4 cylinder engines will find the the way to the US and Canadian markets. Greets from good old Germany and my black Journey 2.4 SE MT

Yes it´s the VW Diesel on european Journeys which has the 6-spd DSG, but unfortunately it´s not a VW transmission - it´s coming from GETRAG. Some drivers here in Germany complains that engine and transmission are not working very harmonic together. But low fuel consumption is the biggest benfit you have with the Diesel and DSG - more than 30MPG (over 35 on motorways) is no problem. As in Canada we count in liters - what I heared was that it´s not more than 8l per 100km, mostly below.

Ordered my 2,4 MT (manual transmission) with travel package (dark windows, roof rack, cruise control etc.) also nearly out of showroom. Had to wait only two days till I got the car with license plate (number). In two weeks I´ll get two additional goodies from my dealer - rear PDC and leather steering. Sorry for may bad english - coming from Germany.

Hola agusti, bon jour, Guten Tag, I´m from a bit bigger country not far from you - Germany. I´m driving the gasoline 2,4. I didn´t have those problems. But can it be that it´s something with the immobilizer system? Sometimes because of all that electronic smog this could happen. This happen to me with my former Chrysler Voyager. You to talk to your dealer about. Good luck.

Hey Booker T - if you use the car for this short distance - why didn´t you choose the 2,4 L4 ???? I drive the 2,4 MT (manual transmission) - but drive also few kilometers, mostly city. Will let you know as early as possible my consumpion with the MT. But it makes more fun than the automatic. Or better take a bicycle - LOL Don´t worry - be happy!!!! Greetings Horst from Germany

Hi I´m Horst from Germany!!! Since one week we owners of a Journey SE 2,4 MT. I don´t really understand Dodge car policy for Germany!!! You were asking for a dual-clutch six-speed transmission. In Germany is only available the 2,4 SE (no SXT or R/T) with only manual transmission (170 HP). And we have a 2.0 CRD engine, coming from Volkswagen (140 HP) - coming with a manual 6-speed or dual-clutch six-speed. The Diesel is available as SE, SXT and R/T. No AWD is available here. In Austria they have Diesel and a 2,7 V6 with a regular 6-speed automatic transmission. To answer the other comment about the 3,5 V6 - I think it´s also only a regular automatic transmission, not a dual-clutch. There´s some technical difference between but I´m not enough technician to explain it - not even more in english. Hope you´ve enjoyed my informations. At last - even ours it´s only a SE the 2,4 MT makes fun and consumes for sure less then the V6s. In time of high fuel prices this makes sence - actual in Germany 1,32 for Diesel and 1,41 for Gasoline --- but EURO no Dollars CU soon