Timon

What I wish the Journey did when the key leaves the car with the engine running is to not allow the vehicle to be taken out of park. Sure someone can still use the manual override someone could also tow the vehicle away. When I'm out with one of my dogs and I need to go into a store where they are not allowed I always leave the engine running. I'd prefer to use the remote start but it has a 15 minute timeout. BTW, I'm also installing a remote alarm so I know if the inside temperature goes up as a backup incase the engine quits.

It's been awhile but I thought I'd do an update. The module on the top of the windshield is a humidity sensor. Found that in the online wiring diagrams. Those diagrams have come in quite handy. The other thing I found is the location of the GPS antenna which is located on the dash according to the location drawing on the wiring diagrams.

Update, I found a great site where I can actually look at the wiring diagrams. I found the actual wiring for the harness along with the connector information. Chrysler Wiring Diagrams This is fine when the DJ is towing something but I need to be able to tow the DJ on a dolly behind a motorhome with the rear wheels down. The issue is tail and brake lights. Even on a DJ with LED tail lights the turn signals are standard bulbs so that easy. The brake lights are another story. Normally one would just connect across the stoplight switch but that's not easy on the DJ. The only way I can see to do it is if one can send a signal into pin 18 of the body module which is how the ABS module turns on the brake lights. Need to talk to dodge. Tail lights will require flipping the headlight switch manually but I can live with that. If your wondering why not just stick on external lights, well I really don't want a bunch of scratches from the magnets. The real solution to this would be a CAN bus interface that would command the various lights to turn on and off but that's a lot of work.

I'm looking for a way to control the turn, stop and tail lights from another vehicle while towing our journey on a dolly behind a motor home rather than sticking on extra lights. Out journey is a 2014 with the led tail lights. Sure wish someone made a controller that plugged into the CAN bus but I've not found any. Stop lights are somewhat easy as one can just tap into the switch on the brakes as if you were adding a break controller. You can manually turn on the tail lights but I'd rather allow the tail lights line from the motorhome do that so you don't forget. Turn signals is the hardest one to control.

I'm planing to pay full price at the dealer but I expect them to flash it for free. I figure that will be cheaper than buying at a discount and paying them to flash my Journey.

Just thought I'd update the thread. I just found out, while looking at what license you need to pull a 39' 5th wheel, that in California any trailer over 1,500 lbs is required to have brakes.

Are you sure that the part number was 68080976AA and not 68080976AC? The 68080976AC I can find in many locations but not the 68080976AA.

I had a feeling it might have been fr the fuel system as it looked like a tube might have been going too it. Thanks.

An SRT Journey, you have to be kidding! Still it looks great. Now I'd like to see more interior and external views.

Now is someone can find the ones for the 2012, 2013 and 2014 we'd be in great shape.

I don't want to just start pulling on it so I was wondering if someone know how to correctly remove the front overhead console? I need to mount a couple of devices and I figure if I can mount brackets behind the console I can let them extend out between the console and headliner so I don't have to drill any holes in the console since the replacement cost is almost $200. I also need to route cables from there and down the A pillars. Thanks Should have looked harder, I found it. This is just something I curious about. While I was looking at what I need to do when mounting my hitch I notices a black plastic box, likely made out of ABS, that sits just to the drivers side of the jack storage box. It looks like it has an electrical connection which comes out of the same harness the tow light cable, the backup sensors and the rear crash sensor comes out of. I'd look up the part number on the label but too much of the label is hidden. I've looked through the parts lists and have not yet found it. So does anyone that works on Journeys happen to know what this boxes function is. As I said I'm just curious about its function. Sorry, I just notices I put this in the Exterior section rather than the Interior section, Can one of the Moderators please move it. Could the Moderators change the title to "What this box under the Journey next to the Jack Storage Box? Thanks

It's true and there are several threads that go over this in detail.

I know this is a old thread but just to make it complete by adding one point. The connector always has 12V on the red wire, the fuse is in the cabin fuse block, however the control unit won't drive the relays until the system is flashed.

It is posiable to leave the car running and lock it up and it will run that long but not from a remote start. Now personally I wish you could remote start and have it run that long. Currently if you leave it running someone can break in and drive it away.

I think the word JOURNEY would look better the DODGE accross the front.

Here is a schematic showing how I think the cable is wired. The input connections pins assumes that you're looking at the back of the connector on the cable and the pins are numbered left to right. It's quite likely that the pins for the three input signals are wrong but not the power and ground. I'll update the schematic once I know the correct pin numbers. BTW, this is a live link so as I update the drawing in my dropbox it will change. Skinner, the relays look like they plug into waterproof sockets so it should be very easy to unplug them and ring out the existing cable with a DVM. The underpart of the relay should have the same numbers I show on the schematic.

Thanks Skinner

The part number was taken from a kit in a Journey with the tow package. It should work with any Journey that has the matching connector in the rear just behind the bumper. We don't know if it's on all Journeys or just the V6 ones.

Could you take 4 close up photos of the wire area on the 3 relays and the connector to the Journey. Don't need the trailer connector since it's visible in one of your photos. I'll match that up with what I have already figure out. If the photos are clear enough I can likely make a schematic from them. I'd also like a picture of the relay brand and part number if they are marked. Traced out the wiring on the connector. The part is made by Delphi and is in their standard catalog so depending on who carries them they should not be too hard to find. The mating part is 12103974 which is the part you see the connector plugged into. All you need to turn the dummy connector into a live one is the pins and wire seals. The pin I think is 12045773 0.80-0.50 Tin Brass Tin plus the wire seals. If you interested look at the Delphi Catalog starting around page 2.12. There are two row of pins with 3 on the top and 2 on the bottom. If you have the connector facing you, wires away from you, the pins are as follows. Red (12V), White w/Orange Stripe (One of the relay drivers), Black w/Yellow Stripe (Ground) White w/Green Stripe (One of the relay drivers), White w/Gray Stripe (One of the relay drivers) The power is available even with the vehicle has not been flashed. I don't know which output drives Lt Turn/Stop, Rt Turn/Stop and Taillights until it's flashed. One of the things I don't like about the factory connections is that it looks like they use 18GA wire. That seems a bit light to me mainly for the ground. If you were going to use this cable plus a 7 pin connector it would be easy to beef up the ground and get additional power from the battery for the Aux Power, Backup Lights if used and Brakes.

Can you check something for me? Do each of the 3 relays have 4 or 5 wires tied to each? I'm trying to fight out which way they controlers the lights. If it's 5 wires then it uses the standard wiring scheme but if it uses 4 wires then I suppect each relay controls Lt Tuen, Rt Turn and Tailights and the Journing does the logic to make turns work as turn signals/stop lights. It's a bit hard to tell from the photos but it looks like 4 wires. If so I suppect that you'll find 12V on one of the pins, ground on one and the others containing Rt Turn, Lt Turn and Taillights floating until the Journey is flashed at which time they will trigger the relays.

Some of the ultra-lites I've look at do hit 2,500 to 2,700 GVW if you load them to the max which is close to 900 lbs of cargo so that falls within the range you stated. We'd have to make sure not to load it to the max with cargo so we go over 2,500 lbs but for two people and two dogs I cannot see more than 500 or 600 lbs added on to the trailer weight. The 7 pin harness for the Journey has the standard Dodge 10 ping connector which plugs into the 7 pin RV type however unlike the pickup there is nothing that goes up to the area behind the dash just two connections that run to the battery. There very well could be a pigtail for the brakes but it's just not shown in the installation documents.

Some of the ultra-lites I've look at do hit 2,500 to 2,700 GVW is you load them to the max which is close to 900 lbs of cargo so that falls within the range you stated. We'd have to make sure not to load it to the max with cargo so we go over 2,500 lbs but for two people and two dogs I cannot see more than 500 or 600 lbs added on to the trailer weight. The 7 pin harness for the Journey has the standard Dodge 10 ping connector which plugs into the 7 pin RV type however unlike the pickup there is nothing that goes up to the area behind the dash just two connections that run to the battery. There very well could be a pigtail for the brakes but it's just not shown in the installation documents.

Actually not totally true, I've found several ultra-lite trailers that have trailer brakes which were designed to be towed by small SUVs and cross overs. You can get them with surge brakes but I think I'd rather have electric. There is a lot of work being done on ultra-lite trailers these days. A tent trailer or small ultra-lite is what we're looking at. It would not be that hard to add the extra wiring for brakes and aux power to the 4 pin cables since there are 7 pin connectors that have a 4 pin connector plus breakout wiring for the other three signals. This should work as long at the 4 pin cable does not use any ground sensing which I assume it wouldn't. The one thing that I cannot find information about the 7 pin cable is about the brake controller. The installation instructions doesn't say if it's built in nor does it show a breakout wire to connect a brake controller to.

Skinner, thanks for the link. I compared my build with one that had towing. Both have the Oil Cooler and Trailer Sway Damping. Mine does not show the Trailer Tow Prep Group or the Trailer Tow w/4-Pin Connector Wiring. I didn't see any difference in any other items such as the suspension that I would have thought was Tow related other than adding the Trailer Tow w/4-Pin Connector wiring. The question still is "Does the Trailer Tow Prep Group include anything other than the Trailer Tow w/4-Pin Connector Wiring?". From what I can find it looks like the answer is no at lease if you start with a 3.6-Liter engine.

Mine shows an oil cooler so unless there are two different coolers the only thing I'm missing is the harness. So I see three ways to go. 1. Get the harness were talking about with the 4 pin trailer connector and have the Journey flashed. 2. Get a different harness from Mopar for the Journey which comes with a 7 pin trailer connector plus a 7 to 4 pin adapter. It cost more but does not require flashing. It also takes more work to install. I'm assuming that it fits the 2014 as well as the 2013. 3 Get a third party harness. Option 1 and 2 will cost about the same if you install option 2 your self. Option 3 is about the least expensive if installed your self but is not as complete as option 2.