Thank you for your answer, just test drove and liked? a 2019 Journey GT at La Fontaine Fenton, yikes that was a long drive there, but well worth it? Its missing a few toys from my present vehicle like a sunroof, power folding mirrors and remote liftgate release....But she was quick on US23 when I semi floored it. The brakes were kind of soft though. I'll look around to see if I can find any with the rear tailgate remote power don't care about sunroofs less chances of roof leak, power folding mirrors are cool but $500 to replace if broken. Went thru that already. Over all nice vehicle/van/crossover/suv or car whatever folks like to call her.