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redmach, i am with you. got quotes on Flex's as well as Edge's today. very nice vehicles, and i am hapy with ford so i will stick with them...

i can't remember what site i read the info on, but i will look and see if i can find the article. again, i wasn't trying to start anything or flame Dodge. i am always wondering about manufacturers and their plans, and i know Dodge as well as others are having a hard time right now. i have family who work for Dodge and trust me, i hope they stay around a while, or else my family will suffer more than from just buying new cars. but with all the uncertainty, right now i am considering used vehicles that are nicer in my opinion, plus they have already lost their initial value from being driven off the lots. i hope for AMERICA'S sake that no AMERICAN car manufacturer goes out of business, whether i drive one of their vehicles or not. i own a Ford, Dodge and Honda. and as much as it pains me to say it, the Honda is built far better than all of them. but i want to get rid of it because it's a Honda and not an AMERICAN car.

thanks guys, i got a call this morning, and i can buy the 2010 RT fwd with sunroof, 3rd row seats, and safe and sound package for $28,125 out the door. it stickers for $31,310. not bad at all. however, and not to start any rumors or anything, but i read today that Fiat is planning to scrap Dodge altogether in 2012. so with this info, i am probably going to pass on the Journey. i don't know what i will get, but i will keep looking until i find a vehicle that fits my needs. i appreciate all the info, and i wish everyone well. i will be back on here, as this seems like a nice forum, not like some others i am a member of.

thanks guys. this has been very helpful to me. i am still undecided at this point though. i keep going on and on in my head, if i pay x for this car and it spends more time in the shop than on the road, then i will be pissed. i know it can happen with any vehicle, trust me. but the Dodge seems to be prone to this type of thing. i have had 4 other dodge/chrysler products in the past, and none of them gave me a minutes trouble with the exception of a bad headgasket and motor mount on a pt cruiser. i too have done numerous searches on all suvs/crossovers in this class or size. i am torn right now. one thing i keep telling myself is this is the best deal out there right now for what i want, but on the other hand, i remember something my Dad use to tell me all the time when buying vehicles, "you get what you pay for"! i wonder how Dodge can sell a vehicle like this so reasonably priced, with more equipment than most other manufactureres? they had to cut cost somewhere, or else they would be out of business. look at the prices, for under $30K you can get the RT version, sunroof, 3rd row seats, and 19" chrome wheels. ford edge for example with leather, chrome wheels and sunroof, you are over the $30k and it only seats 5. so i don't know yet. i am expecting a call tomorrow from my dealer so we can discuss my concerns and issues, and also to see how willing they are to deal on the car they have on their lot versus ordering a brand new one. i'll keep you guys posted. for the record though, anybody with a 2010 journey with a sunroof and experience any water leaks yet?

thanks man, i have the same views entirely. for the money, you can't beat the Journey on paper. however, the issues with them scare the hell out of me. we use a sunroof all the time. so that concerns me a lot. i have had only one other vehicle that leaked, and it was a camaro with t tops, and that annoyed me to pieces, wound up trading it for a mustang 5.0 and have been a ford man since. i too considered the Escape for a minute, and it's size is not much smaller than the Edge, if you can believe it. it just looks smaller. i have compared a lot of suv's and crossovers on Edmunds.com, you can build a comparison of up to 5 vehicles at a time, and you can see all the ratings, equipment, and specs side by side, and that helps a lot when trying to find a good size vehicle for your money. one thing i am doing though, and that's having my local ford dealer try to locate a 2009 Edge SEL with leather and sunroof. right now Ford is offering $4000 off all remaining 09 model edge's and my dealer has agreed to give me another $1000 off if they can find one like i want. so it's a little of a waitng game for me at the moment. however, the Journey RT we drove had the sunroof, 19" chrome clad wheels, 3rd row seats, safe and sound package, and trailer tow prep group. sticker was $31,310, and i can buy it for $27,810. not too shabby in my opinion. oh yeah, by the way, i traded my Edge for a 4 cylinder Fusion and love my Fusion. i drive 80 miles round trip a day to and from work, so i needed the extra MPG, plus my Fusion is cheaper in payment than my Edge was by a lot.

ok, we drove a 2010 RT today, very nice riding and driving vehicle. has everything we want/looking for except navi, but we can live without that. anyway, just joined the site, and the info on here is amazing, however, some of it is turning me against this vehicle, and i am not happy about that, because my wife now has her heart set on this one. we need a crossover, and this one fits the bill well. it has the 3rd row seats, which we want, but don't know how much we would actually use them, but they would be there when we did. it is also has the sunroof, which we want, but after reading the issues with those, i am torn. however, i can't buy a new vehicle without a sunroof, so if we buy this one, i guess it's a crap shoot. i will be pissed though if i do get it and it leaks. i am a ford guy, and we have had an Edge, as well a nissan Murano, both very nice vehicles, and both were so much nicer inside, but we got rid of them, and now kick ourselves. now, we just don't want to pay over 30K for another crossover. and for the money, the Journey is a great alternative to the higher priced crossovers out there. can people who actually own a Journey give me some reviews that may sway me to buy, or that would steer me away? i know not all cars in a same line will the be the same, and not everybody will have the same issues. we really like this Journey, but right now, i am scared to pull the trigger...

ok, now i am disheartened. we test drove a 2010 RT today, loved the vehicle, and are/were probably going to buy it. it is everything we are looking for. we have had a ford edge, and a nissan murano, loved both of those but still traded them for some reason. anyway, all of our vehicles have sunroofs, that's just a requirement of ours, but with the roof issues on the Journey, i might have to pass now. we have had a vehicle that we had to go thru arbitration with before with our state's lemon law, and it is a painful and stressful process, especially for the manufacturer to tell you that they recommend you let the dealer "try" to fix it one more time (this was after 4 attemps for the same issue). needless to say there were some choice words spoken to the representative of chevrolet ( it was a cavalier) and we traded the car shortly after that. as for the original poster of this thread, i would be more pissed at the dealer who kept your service ticket open. that is a very bad sign of a very bad service dept. service dept's are to close tickets every time a vehicle comes in and leaves. i have worked for many dealerships in the past, and this was policy. we were not allowed to keep a ticket open, UNLESS the vehicle was still on our premises. i would contact the owner of that particular dealership, not the manager. and i would discuss this matter with them. most times, you get farther when you express your concerns with owners. good luck and please keep us posted.