Dee

dhh3, I'm more inclined to think it's because they don't want to sell unless they're close to MSRP, they have 3-2013's on the lot, the highest mileage was on a granite one, at 222. I won't go back there for anything. I wonder why they wanted an identity form filled out, when the dealership I bought from didn't even ask for it, and I wrote a 5 figure check there? I'm simple when it comes to deals, tell me what you want, how much for trade in, and if I like the price I'll take it. Why make it so hard otherwise?

Now wouldn't it had been just my luck! Figuring all I've been through, I still keep finding dealers lied to me, the one thing I hate is a lie. So they didn't squeeze the extra 500 out of me, they had to give me the price they said they would on my old clunker, and then tried to take it back. As I sat there and said "I'll write a check" they then did a soft pull on my credit, so they said. (love creditkarma, they tell you everything, and it's all for free) Nope, it was a hard inquiry, shows 2 hits in one day, doesn't much matter since I got took the finance, but geez, it was like what else could go wrong???? I think the word was out from here to NY, "a lady will call asking what the real price is, tell her.........." Hey, but is it true that a 2013 that's been sitting for over 15 months will have issues with seals drying out? Or anything else drying out for that matter, I noticed that the other 2013 lost it's new car smell. I'm glad I got a 2015, ready to put a bow on it for Christmas, lol

LOL@rolly!! I love putting up the 3rd seat and not having to run all the way to the back of the front seat for bags or kero cans. aww she rides smooth on open roads.... It's raining here, I need floor mats real bad, I guess I'll try the Big Boys Truck Store tomorrow, if not I'll order on line.

The SUV/CVU concept is confusing, since the MVA allows my old tank tags over to the CVU purchase. Two totally different weight classes.

Thank you thank you thank. Way to go dhh3, the DJ offered silly features I liked above all other vehicles (storage, etc.), along with the complaints being low compared to other vehicles for the past few years. The dealer called Saturday telling me there was another 500 off of the price, so I knew I was purchasing Sunday, no more excuses. Well, someone must have made a mistake. He wasn't there, the guy that took over the deal said the 500 was already rolled into the deal. I played back the voice mail, HA! So today I go find my vehicle on the net from the dealer so I can show a friend in RI, and low and behold, all DJ's have increased, including mine, by $500! They'll make money off the finance, I took it, I needed to boost my credit score, I can pay off if I need to, but the rates were the same as years ago when I had excellent credit, that was a shocker! Some good buys out there on 2015 SXT's, FWD with camera w/assist, 5 year Garmin, sunroof, seemed like it had everything except leather and AWD, $25,000.

Hi, she's back.... I'm known as Dee, I finally got down to it and settled for a DJ SE. I toyed for days, and finally decided on reliable transportation I went with a DJ SE, Blue Fathom Pearl, 6 cyl, AWD. Only add ons; Customer Preferred 28F, Flexible Seating Group, Premium Group, and Uconnect® Voice Command with Bluetooth®. I picked it up today, and I couldn't be happier. Not all the bells and whistles I don't need, but the kind of ride I do need, as I come down off of a monster with a running board. Remember, my 10 year old truck only had 41K miles on it, so it's not like I'm driving all over needing more than I got. As I drove home this evening, I was punching it way to fast for not knowing where I was going, and she took an exit with a slight bending turn without a skip. That's how I knew I was in love! My past Blazer or Envoy would have skipped at least once. So whomever told me to take a second longer test drive, thank you! I wouldn't have a DJ today otherwise. Accessories on my list; Wind deflectors Bug deflector (maybe) Floor Mats (didn't come with any, surprised I got a full tank of gas for what I paid.) Fog Lights (if available, not in a hurry) Maybe new darker wheels. Oh, she needs a name, my Envoy was Silver Surfer, I think it seen the beach more than I did.

No, they targeted CarMax because CarMax puts in writing their 100 and something safety point check, along with all their vehicles are safe to drive. I actually thought that CarMax was a step above a regular dealership, shame on me, but I'd expect to live by "this vehicle wasn't ever in an accident" when in fact not only in an accident, but deemed unsafe to drive. Well, it doesn't affect me, I'm not buying used, I just need to make sure my new vehicles have never been tilted or worse, salvaged due to a flood or something.

I don't know jkeaton, I take at word when the guy is on camera saying one thing when it's another. "We don't sell cars with recalls." When in fact has 3 recalls, one is a fire hazard. Just an eye opener in used car sales. It goes to show not all accidents are reported in one place. The written articles doesn't show the lady that got stuck with a vehicle that had been in an accident and now she's got exploding tires and other problems. Just an eye opener that you think all information on a vehicle is in one place when it's not, regardless of who you purchase it from.

Not sure who may or may not have seen 20/20 last night. You can search "20/20 CarMax December 2014" and get the story. Pretty interesting for anyone considering buying a used vehicle from anywhere.

Yes, it's unfortunate some sales people ruin it for others. This forum, the internet, and having worked at a dealership in the past, I know what goes on. Rest his soul, the man I worked for made sure he took cash deals on everything from service to cars, down payments, whatever he could get his hands on. Then shut the doors, filed bankruptcy, no one got anything back. I just don't understand if they have 3 new 2013 DJ's why not sell them? I can understand that maybe the dealer incentive to sell a 2015 is higher, but I don't need the dog watching Lassie in the back seat on DVD, she's spoiled enough. I can see her laying on the fold down seat next to me though Oh and the identity form is when people are exchanging cash, personal checks over 10K, so that they can track where the money came from. If you're getting a cashiers check, your bank knows where you got that money, the dealership doesn't need to track you.

Thanks jkeaton, If anyone would have said I wasn't coming home with a vehicle today I would have said "HA, watch me!" That's how certain I was. No sense in telling me in the end you only wanted to take 2K off of the sticker price. I would have gladly said "thank you very much, I'll look elsewhere." I can drive to Atlanta if I have to, makes no difference to me.

So I go to the dealership and decide if I get the same salesman, be nice, if I test it and it works out, fine. Everything I told the guy it needed to test it again (gas, new battery) he didn't do. So we head to the gas station he has to use, and it's packed. I told him that I could test the other grey 2013 NEW SXT with 222 miles, that magically appeared today (hmmm). We test it I like it, so give me prices for both. Sales mgr flicks the calculator a couple of times, asks if I'm trading in my vehicle, I said yes. he tells the salesman to start the paper work. HUH? No price? "Oh, I need to get a price on your vehicle to make sure you get top dollar." So I figured go along with it, they need to value it anyway. Basic paperwork, my license, insurance.... Then wants me to fill out a credit app. HUH? I don't need that, as I may just pay for it, I was only financing to get a couple of extra credit points for a few months of financing. Well then, fill this out. What's that? An identity sheet. HUH? I know who I am, a lady that wants prices on 2 vehicles! I left and said when they have a price to call me. I haven't heard from them since. That's almost as bad as when the Nissan salesman was charging me $595 for appearance package. When I asked him what appearance package, he pointed to the tires and said "see those blue caps, it's nitrogen, that, and wheel locks." I laughed at him, pointed to my truck and said "see the truck?, see the caps on the truck tires? nitrogen, I didn't even pay $595 for 4 brand new tires with nitrogen!" I'd rather have root canal, then try and buy a car!

B4ZINGA, Part of he problem is advertising. As you turn off the main road to the dealership you have; Lincoln/Buick, Kia is behind the Lincoln dealer, Toyota/Lexus, Nissan, then the Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge dealer. What do all the dealers have in common before getting to the Jeep/Dodge dealer? Advertising, those feel good commercials. They do advertise the Jeeps, one dealer is currently running a commercial for Ram truck leases. I'm not interested in a Ram truck, and there's no mention of anything else. Frankly I wasn't even aware of the Journey truck until about a month ago when I seen one on the street, and only because I'm looking for a vehicle. With everyone else, their advertising makes them stand out. DJ looks like a Saturn SUV amongst all the competition. Not saying it actually looks like a Saturn, just that there's that few of them on the streets. Haven't seen another Journey since. It must get worse the further north you go, a dealer in Delaware has 40 Journey's on the lot. Dodge could do one commercial; a man and woman, both looking on the lot, she eyes a car, he eyes a truck, they both settle on a Journey in the end. All basis covered. LOL@Journey_SeXT!

Anything with a $40K+ price tag sells here, the car eh woman drove back from NC never made it to the lot. It was purchased as certified immediately. Most want SUV's around here with everything they can get.

Journey_SeXT is partially right. I live in a neighborhood, hood being operative word, where when someone goes into the dealer, money is no object. So they get the higher price vehicle, no expense spared, and normally trade it in for the next best thing. Some lady bought a crazy high priced sports car, I forget which one, out of NC, she drove it to MD, and traded it in when she got here, no problem. Lot's of used Jeeps sitting on the lot for the same reason, want something better, I need to impress. I'm sooo glad I don't need to impress anybody! . And actually, it's not 6 miles, it's 4.4 miles, the Jeep I test drove was 6. So we have a lot of Hondas, Dodge, anything under $35K for that matter. Durangos, fly off the lot when loaded. And actually, there's 2-2013's sitting on the back lot, mine and a FWD blue one (winter Chill Pearl coat). I'm pretty sure the 2015 Muranos will fly off the lot also. They have a lot of features and the back seat is made for parties.

hmmm another copperhead, they do look nice. yeah, like I say, I'll get a new salesman and go back, otherwise I'm not in the mood to fight with these people. I don't want to fight with the salesman, then the deal, then financing if I go that route. I was only planning on financing a small portion too up my credit points, use it for a few months, then pay it off, otherwise I'll give them a check and be done.

Lobitz68,the one I'm looking at is a 2013 new. I decided not to go today out of principle. I'm waiting until this sales man is off, if he can't call me back, then he doesn't deserve the deal.

Thank you rolly, I'm going to take a look, I remember the book for my Envoy was ruined and tossed by the time I got around to bringing the truck home, I looked, I looked, like a kid at Christmas. Back to pictures; I use to do eBay back between 1994 through 2001. I guess having to take pictures was such a chore just to get things listed I never did much pick up a camera again. Once at a Leukemia Ball, my brother who is a photographer, salesman of camera equipment, darkroom addict, got me a camera to use for this Ball. Reba McIntire, I was a stalker back in 2000. I thought he gave me a camera that could take picture after picture with no wait. So as I lowered the camera down I got plenty of floor pictures, feet pictures (nice shoes worn at the Ball BTW), and chair legs! I think of all the pictures I took I got 3 nice ones, that was it. When Reba started to play all the kids that were there and myself moved up front. I remember sitting on some man's foot that paid close to $200K for a table for this Ball, and he didn't mind a bit. Since they didn't need the flowers after the ball, I got to take some home, they however didn't expect us to take the 3 foot plant stands, someone said I could. You can dress me up, just can't take me out, good times good times! Fast forward; my brother won some kind of competition and sold one of his pictures, it was called "Silhouettes." A man walking by a manhole cover, yep, that simple. I then proclaimed that I must be the best photographer in the world, because of all the ground pictures I took at the Ball, he was not amused.

I want the truck, bad, trying not to act it though, that's why I have a back-up plan, that's the copperhead one. I'm miffed at my salesman, twice he said he would call back and didn't. If I wait until Tuesday he won't be there, but we supposed to have foul weather then. He got pissed at the elderly receptionist for not answering the phone, but then he doesn't call back when he says he would. And that's not the place you want to piss any one off, that's for sure, lol I figure I'll get new tires after the winter, no sense in hitting pot holes with brand new tires, and I want to see how these do. Take pictures? I dropped my Polaroid camera and it's broke!

I wish they would still have a book from 2013, I doubt it though. I'll go test drive it again tomorrow, and unless it falls apart while driving, or they don't give me something for a trade, I'll have a new vehicle, YAY! I keep looking and I can't beat the price. I wish I weren't so dead set on AWD, I've never had a FWD that I hadn't done a 360 in. Although they weren't trucks, only one was planned, the other spins weren't. I could see myself in a Durango with rear bucket seats and a chauffer? BTW, it's sport suspension, whatever that means?

Good morning dhh3, It's a SXT, not Plus, but on an SXT Popular Equipment doesn't include heated seats, nor heated steering wheel. However it does have remote start, and duel exhaust, which another site listed duel exhaust as a $1700 option for the SXT. . I was using lotpro to view options for the different trims and options, along with the online sticker for the vehicle.

Thanks rolly, I'll have to check it out when I'm back of to full data speed, miser here pays little for internet, and caps out early, I guess in some respects I'm lucky to have internet at all, not complaining, not complaining, not complaining!!! 2015 is going to be a better year for me, once I move then I'll be able to get real internet service, with no data caps, I hope! I've been reading through the postings, very interesting indeed.

Ohhh, OK, I may need to check some youtubes out and see about harnesses. I more afraid of the emergency brake cutting threw my leg. Seems like and odd position for a footrest underneath the emergency brake, like it is?

Hi rolly, thank you for the welcome!! I'm not sure about dog harnesses though? I don't like using one, I feel like the dog is trapped that way. I myself hate wearing seat belts, but do because of tickets otherwise. I've been trapped in a vehicle after being broadsided, the console trapped the seatbelt and I was stuck, all the while a crowd gathered saying "don't get close it might explode!" Really!?!? I promised myself from that day I would never leave anyone's side if they were trapped in their vehicle, only happened once to an old lady her leg was trapped, told everyone across the street to keep their traps shut, and we'd be fine. I couldn't imagine if I'd found my dog hung, if there was a chance she couldn't have been thrown and survived. That was one thing I liked about the Journey, she could lay on the folded down front seat. That might get old quick. But at least I've never had dogs that jump around a vehicle like it's a zoo. Frankly having rotts, and having had a bully Mastiff, I keep them pretty well trained due to liability. hmm salesman never called me back? Once yesterday, once today, may have to cut him off, and try another. I'm trying to be nice and not occupy his time if he could be selling a much higher price vehicle and making more money , but sheesh, call back when you say you will!

Heated seats, steering wheel, remote start? Mirrors are heated, that's all, everything else-check! It's not letting me do a copy and paste, but no mention of heated seats anywhere? A power seat, up and down, lumbar and all, no heat. Maybe heat with leather? Ok, now I know how to read the equipment site, the one thing on the SXT I see that I'm supposed to get and not listed is; remote engine start, that's not listed on features of the vehicle I'm looking at.