Greed

Thanks Chris - email will come soon from the above mentioned adress ...

Hey Chris,

I´m not able to send you a PM yet. But I think it´s not that big secret ... anyway I won´t show the last three .. perhaps the major part is enough for you to look:

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But beside to know what are the right numbers for me, is to know what for are the others and are there any differences in sizes? I.e. rotor diameter or pad thickness

I made further checks and I think that the difference could be with ABS and w/o ABS. The pad ...63AA has thickness of 17,5mm (ABS) and ...64AA has 18,5mm (non ABS). But are there really existing Jounreys w/o ABS ???

My email is greed_alias_greed@arcor.de. Maybe you mail me your email adress because I have another question to you not be be discussed in a forum.

Thanks a lot for your help in advance.

Hey guys,

I have also to replace brake pads and rotors on our 2008 Journey SE 5MT (model for german market).

In the www I found some informations which shows 2 different OE numbers each for brakes and rotors:

Rotors:

04721995AA code "BRF"

68032944AA code "BR3"

Brake pads:

68029264AA code "BRF"

68029263AA code "BR3"

Does anybody knows the meaning of the codes BRF and BR3??? Both numbers each are for 2008 Journey diesel 2.0 & gasoline 2.4, 2.7 and 3.5 engines.

Thanks for any helpful information.

Greetz from Stuttgart/Germany

Horst

Sorry to hear that you all have such problems with your 2.4 SE.

I´m located in Germany and driving my Journey 2.4 MT since October 2008, but mostly city and around - very less highways. The 2.4 4cyl european versions (in Germany and Austria only as SE, and other countries as SXT) don´t have the 4-speed-automatic, only a 5gear manual transmisson. I don´t feel that´s it´s a week engine, but perhaps the characteristics are different to the automatic. I also have no comparison to the 2,7V6 (only in Austria available) or the 3.5V6 US Version.

Since two weeks I have now my summer tires on and I tested the high speed with a TomTom Navi - it goes 195 km/h which is 121 miles per hour - not too bad for that 4 cylinder don´t you think???

But this is not the way to drive a Journey. I like to drive my Journey around 90 miles (140 km) on highways - where it is allowed. On highways around bigger cities we have often speed limit between 62-75 miles (100-120 km). So for me it´s not really important to have a 6 cyilnder - the fuel consumption would be also to much.

Right now I got no problems which my Journey so far *knockonwood*, only the fuel consumption over winter time with winter tires seemed to much for me. But this afternoon I visit my dealer to see if he can adjust the engine a bit or they have a software update which helps. With a gosoline price of 1,20 EURO per litre it´s important to save a bit.

As we have not to cover such long distances here in Germany (we are smaller than Wisconsin and Wyoming together) our first problems will occur perhaps only a bit later than in the USA or Canada.

So don´t despair on your Journeys - I think it´s more or less usual that completely new cars have what we call "teething troubles". I´m sure that your dealers will find solutions for all of this problems. And I´m sure that it is a good and fair car - if not I´ve never bought it after my two Voyagers.

CU soon again here inForum.

Your dealer is giving you BS-I have a RT & my dealer sold me 16" steel rims with no problem & I put 215/70's on with no problem at all

The only issue is my "low pressure" light is on as I did not purchase the sensors for the wheels-but for the price of them I will ignore the light

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Look into the "interior" thread "Winter tires" and read what can happen. And for your own safety you don´t wanna spend some bucks? Bad desicion.

Some people told me not to listen or trust that light, but yesterday mine came on and when I checked the pressure it was down 3psi. AWESOME TOOL !!

I agree - so anyone who means to save money for this system on winter wheels is just silly !!!!!!!!!!!

It´s a low payment for a big safety.

You also have the luxury of diesel availability-it would be a nice thing here to @ least have the choice

@ larryl

From the economic side thats the best solution, but the 2.0 CRD (Volkswagen TDI) together with the DSG is no succesful solution because not working good together (engine had to work on wrong high/low level because DSG switched not early enough up or downj.

And this engine has again less power (140PS). Some guys here in Germany made a engine tuning which gives +30-35PS and more than +50NM. Was told that after this engine and DSG fits better together.

My decision for the 2.4 (we don´t have the 3.5 - would never buy it - see statement above) was because we run really low kilometers on our Journey. The Diesel ist more expensive, difference between gas and diesel price is now only a few cents, tax and insurance are higher than for the the gasoline modell. So you get only a benefit if you run many kilometers per year. In the USA where you have to bridge really long distances compared to our little Germany this would be not only nice - this would make really sense for you.

@ crh47 and EMSBronco

Sorry that my words arrived so partial - I´ve never affirmed that they are many reasons to drive a 6 cylinder or an AWD.

But you will agree to the fact that many people drives a 6 CYL, even they do not need it really, only because it´s more comfortable and has more torque - but because they never drove something else they "feel" the 4 cylinder to weak.

So guys don´t worry - it was nothing against you or 6 cylinders.

Also here in Germany many people drives VW Touareg, Mercedes ML class, BMW X3/X5 all with 6 cylinders and also many of the with AWD - and in the city you don´t need it for sure.

So keep a good drive with your Journeys - we like ours.

Hi coming from south Germany and living in a city with 600.000 people.

Have no big experience on our Journey 2.4 MT (Manual Transmission), also 170PS as the US AT version, because we drive it only since 5 weeks and have just low kilometers on it. Last tankful was driven only under city conditions - engine don´t gets operation temperature and stop and go traffic etc. - so my consumption is about 19,4 mpg (12,2l per 100 km).

But I think after some more kilometers consumption will drop down - will see what will happen when we get a better city/country road/highway-mix.

At least one personally comment from my side - why you all wanna drive a Journey 6-cylinder? The Journey is no sportscar and in times of permanently fuel price increasing we all should look to more economic engines. The 6-cylinder is more comfortable - YES - but the 4 cylinder is doing the same good work. And you drive on your highways only 60 or 70 mph maximum.

Around my city directly the highways are limited between 62,5 and 75 miles, but then after some kilometers many highways are open and if traffic allows we drive normally 90-100mpg, sometimes if we want up 117,5 or what else is the maximum speed.

I don´t want to give you instructions, but in this times all commodities getting more and more expensive (for fuel, heating etc.) and our fuel prices are much higher than yours. So it´s time to use new technologies which give us more savings.

Correction on that size above ... should be 227/65/17.

Do you mean 225/65/-17 ???? The tires in Germany/Europe are always in 5er steps - 195, 205, 215, 225, 235 etc. and then /width/wheel diameter - but not 222 or 227. Should be the same in the States, too.

The bolt circle of the Journey is 5x127.

Oooops !!! Sorry - don´t know how I could mix this - Yes, you are definitely right !!!

I got the 16" steel wheels with 215/70/16-Winterforce

Here in Germany the SE has tire size of 225/65-16. My winter tires are nice Fulda Supremo. Next year I´m gonna sell my 16 inches summer rims (got the car in october only with summer wheels) with Yokohama A-Spec with same size as winter and wanna buy some 19" or 20" wheels if the market offers then some nice and unique rims.

But in Germany you need for special rims a certificate from german TÜV (Technical Control Board) - where you also have to show your car every two years for security inspection (new cars after 3 years, then every 2). So let´s wait what they offer for Journeys which are currently very rare in Europe - but fortunately they have same bolt circle than i.e. Mitsubsihi (5x114,3) so could be a nice choice next spring.

A smaller tire is generally better for traction during winter. If you change of size and don't put TPMS during winter, the low pressure indicator will stay on all the time and ring each time you will start the car. But there is nothing dangerous. Some cars limit speed to 80km/h when there is no TPMS, but it is not supposed to be like that on the Journey. If you want to stay with the 19", you can also look at the Toyo Open Country G02+.

YES, I agree that smaller tires will have better traction. Also if you go down on 16 or 17" you have more place in the wheelhouse, which is better if you have snowy winters.

I´m from Germany and since 2 weeks I drive the 2.4 SE which is equipped with 16". My winter tires (FULDA Supremo) I bought now also have the TPMS. I inspected summer and winter tires (both 16") and they have thicker metal air valves. So the system is not like a band inside the rim, it´s the cheaper valve control system you can use also for 16 or 17" wheels without problem. The system will warn you if the pressure is going down significantly, no difference which inch size is on the car.

Next year I change my summer tires to 18/19" - but I will wait what market has to offer - I don´t like to have rims from Dodge or from some specialized Dodge spare parts companies because they all look the same.

Ask your dealer - buy the valves - and then buy your tires whereever you want. Perhaps he a good offer for the complete winter package for you.

Hi crh47,

as promised yesterday pls find below real image from the manual gear shift of my Journey SE 2.4 MT.

And, Sam, I was right when I told you not to believe all you see on internet pages. The image from the german Dodge page shows a shift with a ring below which is used by some manufacturers to unlock the access to the reverse gear.

Chrysler and Dodge MTs normally don´t have this. For example my small Renault Clio, which I drive only to office and back, has this kind of shift because reverse gear is beside the 1st gear. The Journey 2.4 MT has the reverse beside the 5th.

But now, if I think about it could be is that the Dodge image shows the 6-speed manual of the VW Diesel (which is also available with the 6-speed DSG AT) - so it would be logic to have the reverse beside the 1st gear. Then it is used this ring lock to avoid that you come into reverse, altough you want to use the 1st gear.

So, Sam, your information is perhaps not untrue - pls take my apologies for that.

If there´s something more of interest on german Journey versions - pls let me know.

No accidents, no problems, just a good time with your Journeys...

Look here, there is one at the end: http://www.dodge.de/journey/galerie.html

And an other there: http://www.dodge.de/journey/interieur/cockpit.html

Think my shift looks small different and I don´t like those professional photos - in real life it all looks diverse - even if it´s from a german homepage like this :D

So I will upload real life images soon.

Hi, I´m from STUTTGART, BW (Baden-Württemberg --> a state in Germany) - Neighbor to Bavaria state

Is conversion from gasoline to LPG (liquid gas) so solution in the states?

Here in Germany and also in Europe really many fuel stations are selling LPG. It´s around 40-45% cheaper as gasoline, which is expensive with 1,41 Euro per liter at the moment.

I testdrove the 2.4 SE MT which had a underfloor tank behind the rear axle. So you still could have the +2 back seats or the underfloor cargo. If LPG is runned out the system changes automatically back to gasoline tank.

Costs for modification around 2500-2800 Euros.

Greed,

Welcome to the forum. I've been reading your posts. I would love to see a picture of your gear shift. I'm interested to see how it fits in the console.

OK - tomorrow I load up a photo when we will have full daylight. But I think that it will look not dramatic different because it´s placed the same area as the DSG shift of the Journey 2.0 CRD Diesel from Volkswagen which is available also with a 6-speed manual transmission. The 2.4 MT has only the 5-speed MT available in Germany.

I ordered a Journey three weeks ago. I test drove the four. It didn't have any problem keeping up with interstate traffic, but It was a struggle to get up to speed on the on ramp. I told the dealer that I wanted to drive a 3.5 V6 before I signed, and he set me up with a test drive on the Avenger AWD V6. I know it's not quite comparing apples to apples, but the power difference was so marked that I orderd the AWD SXT Journey. For me, the four was just not enough. It wasn't as terrible as some reviews seem to indicate. It just wasn't enough for me to feel happy with. Currently driving an H2, looking at 15 to 22 mpg looks pretty darned good to me.

First to Jack - Yes dealers are NOT your friendly you have decide by your feelings, by testing, what you think you need and at the end what you want or be able to pay for it.

I agree with JOURNEYMAN - the 4 cylinder is a fine engine which consumes less fuel. AND - HEY WE DRIVING A CROSSOVER/VAN - NOT A SPORTS CAR. And for this the 4 cylinder is quite enough.

But I have to make one exception - you all are talking about 3.5 V6 vs 2.4 L4 with automatic transmission. I´m from south Germany and I have to climb often some hills (no mountains) and here we have only the 2.4 MT (5-speed manual transmission). And this manual gear box makes really fun. Also we have a Diesel Version with Volkswagen 2.0 CRD with 6-speed manual or a double-clutch 6-speed automatic (DSG) which gives the best economy to high mileage drivers. But for me with low kilometers per year the gasoline is the best option.

But at the end you have to test, test, test and decide on yourself.

But be aware that fuel prices will increase in future more and more - so more economic 4 cylinder engines will find the the way to the US and Canadian markets.

Greets from good old Germany and my black Journey 2.4 SE MT

dual clutch automatic transmission is more efficient than regular AT, shift more smooth, save fuel. VW has 6-spd DSG and 7-spd DSG. Chysler offer 6-spd dual clutch for oversee model like Journey, Avenger, Sebring. hope it is also avaible for North America.

Yes it´s the VW Diesel on european Journeys which has the 6-spd DSG, but unfortunately it´s not a VW transmission - it´s coming from GETRAG. Some drivers here in Germany complains that engine and transmission are not working very harmonic together.

But low fuel consumption is the biggest benfit you have with the Diesel and DSG - more than 30MPG (over 35 on motorways) is no problem. As in Canada we count in liters - what I heared was that it´s not more than 8l per 100km, mostly below.

Ordered my 2,4 MT (manual transmission) with travel package (dark windows, roof rack, cruise control etc.) also nearly out of showroom. Had to wait only two days till I got the car with license plate (number).

In two weeks I´ll get two additional goodies from my dealer - rear PDC and leather steering.

Sorry for may bad english - coming from Germany.

Hello friends

I'm from a small country called Andorra.

Two monts ago i buy a DODGE Journey.

The engine is Gas-oil 2.0 140 CV

I have problems when i start engine. I try a few times and start, when passed 5 seconds stop engine

Hola agusti,

bon jour,

Guten Tag,

I´m from a bit bigger country not far from you - Germany.

I´m driving the gasoline 2,4. I didn´t have those problems.

But can it be that it´s something with the immobilizer system? Sometimes because of all that electronic smog this could happen. This happen to me with my former Chrysler Voyager.

You to talk to your dealer about.

Good luck.

I drive to work 3.5 miles and back and have the air blasting the whole time...I am getting a horrible 14 mpg doing that...very dissappointing. When I do finally get to take it on the road I am getting over 20.

Hey Booker T - if you use the car for this short distance - why didn´t you choose the 2,4 L4 ????

I drive the 2,4 MT (manual transmission) - but drive also few kilometers, mostly city. Will let you know as early as possible my consumpion with the MT. But it makes more fun than the automatic.

Or better take a bicycle - LOL

Don´t worry - be happy!!!!

Greetings

Horst from Germany

I am wondering what speed seems to be the most efficient or does it matter who is driving? I am averaging 18-20 mpg (US gallons) in cities and on highways. I usually drive my SXT 65-70 on highways but have never got much better mileage. I have just over 2500 miles on the Journey now. But you know, I really like to skip it up to 75-80 mph. The Journey seems to handle the road so well, much better than any vehicle I've ever owned ... so far. I was driving in the rain today and the road was wet ... but not dripping wet with puddles ... and the van and the tires owned the road. I felt like I was driving a bus. And my mileage was still going up even when I was driving at 80. I am getting a tank full of gas tomorrow and going to check my actual mileage.

We have the six speed dual now with the 3.5 litre

Hi I´m Horst from Germany!!!

Since one week we owners of a Journey SE 2,4 MT.

I don´t really understand Dodge car policy for Germany!!!

You were asking for a dual-clutch six-speed transmission.

In Germany is only available the 2,4 SE (no SXT or R/T) with only manual transmission (170 HP). And we have a 2.0 CRD engine, coming from Volkswagen (140 HP) - coming with a manual 6-speed or dual-clutch six-speed. The Diesel is available as SE, SXT and R/T. No AWD is available here.

In Austria they have Diesel and a 2,7 V6 with a regular 6-speed automatic transmission.

To answer the other comment about the 3,5 V6 - I think it´s also only a regular automatic transmission, not a dual-clutch. There´s some technical difference between but I´m not enough technician to explain it - not even more in english.

Hope you´ve enjoyed my informations.

At last - even ours it´s only a SE the 2,4 MT makes fun and consumes for sure less then the V6s. In time of high fuel prices this makes sence - actual in Germany 1,32 for Diesel and 1,41 for Gasoline --- but EURO no Dollars

CU soon