Look, you just joined this forum today at 2 PM and all 9 of your posts are all about how crappy your Journey was, I get it. One or two post would have done the trick. BTW the Patriot may have been built by a different company but it is basically the same chassis. It has that same weak 4 cylinder engine (so all the reviewers say) as a base model Journey. Anyhow like I said before, we get it, the Journey sucks. Go join a Jeep forum and gush about it there. Rixell out.