Skinner Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 Could you take 4 close up photos of the wire area on the 3 relays and the connector to the Journey. Don't need the trailer connector since it's visible in one of your photos. I'll match that up with what I have already figure out. If the photos are clear enough I can likely make a schematic from them. I'd also like a picture of the relay brand and part number if they are marked. Traced out the wiring on the connector. The part is made by Delphi and is in their standard catalog so depending on who carries them they should not be too hard to find. The mating part is 12103974 which is the part you see the connector plugged into. All you need to turn the dummy connector into a live one is the pins and wire seals. The pin I think is 12045773 0.80-0.50 Tin Brass Tin plus the wire seals. If you interested look at the Delphi Catalog starting around page 2.12. There are two row of pins with 3 on the top and 2 on the bottom. If you have the connector facing you, wires away from you, the pins are as follows. Red (12V), White w/Orange Stripe (One of the relay drivers), Black w/Yellow Stripe (Ground) White w/Green Stripe (One of the relay drivers), White w/Gray Stripe (One of the relay drivers) The power is available even with the vehicle has not been flashed. I don't know which output drives Lt Turn/Stop, Rt Turn/Stop and Taillights until it's flashed. One of the things I don't like about the factory connections is that it looks like they use 18GA wire. That seems a bit light to me mainly for the ground. If you were going to use this cable plus a 7 pin connector it would be easy to beef up the ground and get additional power from the battery for the Aux Power, Backup Lights if used and Brakes. Ill try to get these pics for you tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timon Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 Thanks Skinner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timon Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 I got the kit from Dodge with a part number that was 68060976AA. The wire is actually 68060977AA, and the intructions I have in the pictures is kit 68060978AA. Pretty confusing. Are you sure that the part number was 68080976AA and not 68080976AC? The 68080976AC I can find in many locations but not the 68080976AA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobitz68 Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Are you sure that the part number was 68080976AA and not 68080976AC? The 68080976AC I can find in many locations but not the 68080976AA. Usually the update from AA to AC (or any other higher value) is just a preceding part number. Meaning that the other number is no longer available and they updated the part... Should be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spl147 Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 (edited) found it: http://www.tascaparts.com/oe-mopar/68080976ac $60.40 plus Shipping Edited June 14, 2014 by spl147 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timon Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) I'm planing to pay full price at the dealer but I expect them to flash it for free. I figure that will be cheaper than buying at a discount and paying them to flash my Journey. Edited June 16, 2014 by Timon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spl147 Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 (edited) Could you take 4 close up photos of the wire area on the 3 relays and the connector to the Journey. Don't need the trailer connector since it's visible in one of your photos. I'll match that up with what I have already figure out. If the photos are clear enough I can likely make a schematic from them. I'd also like a picture of the relay brand and part number if they are marked. Traced out the wiring on the connector. The part is made by Delphi and is in their standard catalog so depending on who carries them they should not be too hard to find. The mating part is 12103974 which is the part you see the connector plugged into. All you need to turn the dummy connector into a live one is the pins and wire seals. The pin I think is 12045773 0.80-0.50 Tin Brass Tin plus the wire seals. If you interested look at the Delphi Catalog starting around page 2.12. There are two row of pins with 3 on the top and 2 on the bottom. If you have the connector facing you, wires away from you, the pins are as follows. Red (12V), White w/Orange Stripe (One of the relay drivers), Black w/Yellow Stripe (Ground) White w/Green Stripe (One of the relay drivers), White w/Gray Stripe (One of the relay drivers) The power is available even with the vehicle has not been flashed. I don't know which output drives Lt Turn/Stop, Rt Turn/Stop and Taillights until it's flashed. One of the things I don't like about the factory connections is that it looks like they use 18GA wire. That seems a bit light to me mainly for the ground. If you were going to use this cable plus a 7 pin connector it would be easy to beef up the ground and get additional power from the battery for the Aux Power, Backup Lights if used and Brakes. did you get it flashed yet? do you know what wires are for turns, tails, stops? Edited June 30, 2014 by spl147 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spl147 Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 anyone happen to have the dealer procedure for activating the harness? my dealer wants me to bring them the proceedure, they have no clue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcmtnbiker82 Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 I have an 09 sxt with the 3.5v6 and it doesnt appear that I have this connector? Maybe its only on the journeys with the tow package? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobitz68 Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 I have an 09 sxt with the 3.5v6 and it doesnt appear that I have this connector? Maybe its only on the journeys with the tow package? That is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nash211 Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Could you take 4 close up photos of the wire area on the 3 relays and the connector to the Journey. Don't need the trailer connector since it's visible in one of your photos. I'll match that up with what I have already figure out. If the photos are clear enough I can likely make a schematic from them. I'd also like a picture of the relay brand and part number if they are marked. Traced out the wiring on the connector. The part is made by Delphi and is in their standard catalog so depending on who carries them they should not be too hard to find. The mating part is 12103974 which is the part you see the connector plugged into. All you need to turn the dummy connector into a live one is the pins and wire seals. The pin I think is 12045773 0.80-0.50 Tin Brass Tin plus the wire seals. If you interested look at the Delphi Catalog starting around page 2.12. There are two row of pins with 3 on the top and 2 on the bottom. If you have the connector facing you, wires away from you, the pins are as follows. Red (12V), White w/Orange Stripe (One of the relay drivers), Black w/Yellow Stripe (Ground) White w/Green Stripe (One of the relay drivers), White w/Gray Stripe (One of the relay drivers) The power is available even with the vehicle has not been flashed. I don't know which output drives Lt Turn/Stop, Rt Turn/Stop and Taillights until it's flashed. One of the things I don't like about the factory connections is that it looks like they use 18GA wire. That seems a bit light to me mainly for the ground. If you were going to use this cable plus a 7 pin connector it would be easy to beef up the ground and get additional power from the battery for the Aux Power, Backup Lights if used and Brakes. So I bought a Tow Ready wiring harness, same as the Curtis one. It requires that you run a wire from the module all the way to the front positive post on the battery, why cant i just tie into the red 12 wire and safe myself running the wire all the way to the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spl147 Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 So I bought a Tow Ready wiring harness, same as the Curtis one. It requires that you run a wire from the module all the way to the front positive post on the battery, why cant i just tie into the red 12 wire and safe myself running the wire all the way to the front. thats exactly what i did! works perfectly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nash211 Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Thanks will do that then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhh3 Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) My 2014 does not list the tow prep option. But I do have the V6 with an oil cooler and that connector by the spare tire. So, I guess that I am ready when I install my hitch and harness. Both will be Mopar, and I will have my Dealer do it. Edited October 4, 2014 by dhh3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spl147 Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 My 2014 does not list the tow prep option. But I do have the V6 with an oil cooler and that connector by the spare tire. So, I guess that I am ready when I install my hitch and harness. Both will be Mopar, and I will have my Dealer do it. go with the curt hitch and the curt T-connector harness. way cheaper and much nicer. i went with the factory harness at first, had nothing but issues, installed the curt T-connector harness, and have never looked back.....less than $200 and towing like a champ!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty2 Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 Does anyone had their Journey flashed up? I installed the tow harness today and the flashers, brake lights do not work. Does this mean that I have to go to the dealer to get it activated or flashed up.??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobitz68 Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 Yes, have the dealer activate them... I assume you used the factory stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty2 Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Yes I used the trailer tow harness kit that was in the trunk. Part not is 68080978AA on the instructions. Instructions says to remove the bumper, lights etc; but you do not have too because there is enough room underneath to install the harness. Nowhere on thel instruction does it say that you have to go to the dealer to flash it up. I think they should tell you that and/or flash it at the factory. Michel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timon Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 Update, I found a great site where I can actually look at the wiring diagrams. I found the actual wiring for the harness along with the connector information. Chrysler Wiring Diagrams This is fine when the DJ is towing something but I need to be able to tow the DJ on a dolly behind a motorhome with the rear wheels down. The issue is tail and brake lights. Even on a DJ with LED tail lights the turn signals are standard bulbs so that easy. The brake lights are another story. Normally one would just connect across the stoplight switch but that's not easy on the DJ. The only way I can see to do it is if one can send a signal into pin 18 of the body module which is how the ABS module turns on the brake lights. Need to talk to dodge. Tail lights will require flipping the headlight switch manually but I can live with that. If your wondering why not just stick on external lights, well I really don't want a bunch of scratches from the magnets. The real solution to this would be a CAN bus interface that would command the various lights to turn on and off but that's a lot of work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobitz68 Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 Update, I found a great site where I can actually look at the wiring diagrams. I found the actual wiring for the harness along with the connector information. Chrysler Wiring Diagrams This is fine when the DJ is towing something but I need to be able to tow the DJ on a dolly behind a motorhome with the rear wheels down. The issue is tail and brake lights. Even on a DJ with LED tail lights the turn signals are standard bulbs so that easy. The brake lights are another story. Normally one would just connect across the stoplight switch but that's not easy on the DJ. The only way I can see to do it is if one can send a signal into pin 18 of the body module which is how the ABS module turns on the brake lights. Need to talk to dodge. Tail lights will require flipping the headlight switch manually but I can live with that. If your wondering why not just stick on external lights, well I really don't want a bunch of scratches from the magnets. The real solution to this would be a CAN bus interface that would command the various lights to turn on and off but that's a lot of work. Why not just put some felt or other soft fabric under the magnet lights? They are strong enough that they would still stick... Seems a lot easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj cowboy Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 go with the curt hitch and the curt T-connector harness. way cheaper and much nicer. i went with the factory harness at first, had nothing but issues, installed the curt T-connector harness, and have never looked back.....less than $200 and towing like a champ!!!! I have the Curt harness on my 13. I've had nothing but problems with mine. I'm going to the factory setup if I can. All I have is a right brake light on all the time, even if the car is off and no lights are on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhh3 Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 I have a Crossroad. The Mopar hitch listed on the Accessory Site says the hitch will not fit. But, the Mopar hitches on ebay say they fit all models, including the Crossroad. And these listings are all from Mopar Dealers. It might have something to do with the platinum piece on the bottom of my bumper. So, more research, but I don't need the hitch right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woah322 Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 I have the Curt harness on my 13. I've had nothing but problems with mine. I'm going to the factory setup if I can. All I have is a right brake light on all the time, even if the car is off and no lights are on! The curt hitch and wiring works great on mine, just go back to the place you installed and have them fix the wiring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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