seanton Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 It's sounded like this for a while. May just be getting old (11 years old now). I've attached a recording of what it sounds like. Seems to be coming from the top, maybe a bit to the left. Its very loud even from inside the cabin. Any idea what this could be? In the clip I've attached it's especially noticeable towards the end. Thank you, Sean sean-journey.mp3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2late4u Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 so i guess it is a 2009 or 2010 ,what size engine? get it worked on before it does major damage, lifters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John/Horace Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 How many miles on engine? Are there any engine codes, check even if no light on. The 2.4 is not the quietest engine even when healthy, my daughter in law has had one since new and over maintained with dealer oil changes etc. It seems a little noisy too. They timing chain and top end always seem more noisy than other cars. I think the main noise could the chain and tensioner getting worn, but you would be getting various engine codes if it needed changing immediately. Like cam sensor codes that don’t go away with new parts. There may be a knock mixed into the noise that could be water pump if you haven’t changed it yet. Usually you need an engine stethoscope to isolate the sound. Or run engine with no serpentine belt for 30 seconds and listen for sound change. There is a weap hole on the pump that usually starts to drip when bearing seal starts to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanton Posted April 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 hour ago, 2late4u said: so i guess it is a 2009 or 2010 ,what size engine? get it worked on before it does major damage, lifters? it's a 2009 with about 230,000 km on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanton Posted April 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 55 minutes ago, John/Horace said: How many miles on engine? Are there any engine codes, check even if no light on. The 2.4 is not the quietest engine even when healthy, my daughter in law has had one since new and over maintained with dealer oil changes etc. It seems a little noisy too. They timing chain and top end always seem more noisy than other cars. I think the main noise could the chain and tensioner getting worn, but you would be getting various engine codes if it needed changing immediately. Like cam sensor codes that don’t go away with new parts. There may be a knock mixed into the noise that could be water pump if you haven’t changed it yet. Usually you need an engine stethoscope to isolate the sound. Or run engine with no serpentine belt for 30 seconds and listen for sound change. There is a weap hole on the pump that usually starts to drip when bearing seal starts to go. 230,000 km, the only code is p2006 (intake runner control valve) Water pump hasn't been changed yet so I'll have a look. I've already used a stethoscope and couldn't isolate it to any location in particular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanton Posted April 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 I've also been losing a lot of engine coolant the past few months. However I just did a pressure check and didn't see any leaks. I quickly looked at the water pump but couldn't tell if anything was leaking or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhareFred Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 Which engine? The 3.5 has a timing belt that needs to be replaced every 100 thousand miles. Has that been done? If it’s a 3.5 and your replacing the water pump, replace the timing belt right away, your right there..., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanton Posted April 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 sorry forgot to mention it's a 2.4... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John/Horace Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 Losing coolant but not obvious where. What does engine oil look like. Is engine using much oil right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John/Horace Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 The code is for the intake solenoid in this link, or the wiring leading to it. Usually makes car run rough and maybe stall; it’s probably not the main cause for the recorded noise. Not a timing chain related item. https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/dodge,2009,journey,2.4l+l4,1444145,engine,intake+manifold+runner+control+valve+/+solenoid,10776 seanton and jkeaton 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanton Posted April 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 On 4/5/2020 at 3:51 PM, John/Horace said: Losing coolant but not obvious where. What does engine oil look like. Is engine using much oil right now. I feel like it's using a bit more than usual. However I think that might be a worn oil pan gasket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John/Horace Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 It didn’t suddenly get a lot noisier in the last little while, it was gradual? Noisy high milage engine that leaks a bit. I usually go to a thicker oil like 5w30 or10w30 to quiet things down a little on this type of engine. Valve lifters and or timing chain are expensive repairs. Long term used engine from auto recycler like LKQ probably cheapest option. 2late4u 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2late4u Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 11 yrs old and also fairly high mileage as well like john said nurse it along go to a thicker oil and save some $$ and keep an eye out for a low mileage engine like he said from lkq or scrappers in your area just be careful who you buy from or run it till it pukes and then scrap it depends on what you want to do , I wouldn't put a lot of money into something this old unless i really wanted to keep it.good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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